Baseball Toaster Bad Altitude
Game 163 Open Thread
2007-10-01 13:36
by Mark T.R. Donohue

I'm going to the game tonight live and in person, so before I leave I'm posting so that interested parties may carry on some stimulating discussion during tonight's Rockies-Padres deathmatch. Supporters of any and all MLB clubs are welcome, but no being mean.

Comments (701)
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2007-10-01 13:43:26
1.   Bob Timmermann
I believe we are allowed to make fun of Willy Taveras and Jeff Cirillo though aren't we?
2007-10-01 13:45:43
2.   Mark T.R. Donohue
1 Also Jeff Kent, Peter Angelos, Bill Wirtz (nope, it's not too soon) and Paul O'Neill.
2007-10-01 13:48:19
3.   Sam DC
Where does Mike Hampton fit into all this?
2007-10-01 13:51:13
4.   Linkmeister
Yeah, and what about Denny Neagle?
2007-10-01 13:54:00
5.   kirk gibson
I wish the Rockies the best of luck tonight...I quietly started pulling for them after they swept the Dodgers in the doubleheader (and series) a couple weeks back--at that point I knew L.A. was dead in the water and I thought it would be pretty neat to see the Rockies continue winning and get the wildcard berth. And besides, do we really want to see another first round playoff loss by the padres?
2007-10-01 14:15:29
6.   RIYank
Funny, I started rooting against the Rockies after that nasty series against the Yankees. (Nasty only in the results, I mean. For the Yankees.)
But I've come around. Good story, interesting team... and of course, Toaster Camaraderie. Go Rocks!
2007-10-01 14:17:53
7.   standuptriple
I used to live in SD. Great baseball fans down there. But there's something about this Rockies team that draws my interest. Plus, playoff game(s) in COL are full of potential.
2007-10-01 14:19:03
8.   tj5825
Sounds like LoDo is starting to get excited this afternoon (looking on the RM News website)...makes me miss my hometown (again!).


2007-10-01 14:37:26
9.   LoveDemAs
As a fan of the underdog, I'm totally rooting for the Rockies in this game (having previously had no particular allegiances to either team). Is the game going to be on any national TV outlet? Extra Innings doesn't seem to be carrying the game (f***ers).
2007-10-01 14:38:21
10.   Sam DC
2007-10-01 14:49:58
11.   tj5825
I'm hoping that since I set my direct tv Tivo before I left for work it will record OK (I have a late meeting). The game wasn't in the guide so I just set it on TBS and selected the shows they had scheduled starting at 4:30 (pacific time). That meeting's going to suck. lol
2007-10-01 15:03:49
12.   underdog
9 Thanks! I mean, me too.
2007-10-01 15:10:41
13.   bhsportsguy
I sent this to Bob T. earlier today but of course, individual stats mean nothing but today's game does count for the regular season so for those who care, Matt Holliday can go 0-4 today and he will still win the batting title over Chipper Jones.

If he gets a hit, then no problem at all.

I believe if Jake Peavy strikes out 5 or more, he will lead the majors in strike outs.

And he is going for win number 20, which I think would be the first NL pitcher to reach that mark in two years.

2007-10-01 15:30:35
14.   Shaun P
I think it'd be cool to see the Rockies get in. There's no reason they couldn't make it all the way, and wouldn't that be a story?
2007-10-01 15:40:27
15.   Bob Timmermann
In 2005, 3 pitchers in the NL won 20 games: Willis, Carpenter, and Oswalt.

Only 2 Padre pitchers have had 20-win seasons: Randy Jones, 20 in 1975 and 22 in 1976, and Gaylord Perry won 21 in 1978.

Peavy and Maddux are the only pitchers on the Padres with 10+ wins. Francis and Fogg are the only pitchers with 10+ wins on the Rockies.

The Washington Nationals had no pitcher win 10 games nor a pitcher lose 10 this season! That had never happened before. Jon Rauch led with 8 wins and Matt Chico led with 9 losses.

2007-10-01 15:41:31
16.   MC Safety
Josh " The Dragon Slayer " Fogg representing all hope for Rocks fans around the world.
2007-10-01 15:41:44
17.   Bluebleeder87
I was just checking & Peavy is pitching on normal rest. I don't know but I always feel he expands a lot of energy with his motion, the Rox better pray he's a little fatigued during this long season or else it's "wait till next year" time for them as well. This game definitely has an underdog feeling to it which will make me a Rox fan tonight.
2007-10-01 15:43:33
18.   Bob Timmermann
B. Giles RF
Hairston LF
Kouzmanoff 3B
Gonzalez 1B
Greene SS
Bard C
Blum 2B
Clark CF
Peavy P

Matsui 2B
Tulowitzki SS
Holliday LF
Helton 1B
Atkins 3B
Hawpe RF
Spilborghs CF
Torrealba C
Fogg P

2007-10-01 15:54:51
19.   xaphor
The Rockies have a nice looking lineup. It reminds me of the Cardinals in '04, but with younger and lesser known kids. Here's hoping they get to Peavy.
2007-10-01 15:58:43
20.   Xeifrank
The DodgerSims Simulator gives the Rockies a 50.65% win expectancy, while the Las Vegas Hilton gives them only 42.55%. The simulator plays 2000 games pitting the same two teams with the same lineups.
Good luck!
vr, Xei
2007-10-01 16:09:02
21.   BlueMamma
Does anyone know if there's a radio station in the LA area that will be carrying this game?
2007-10-01 16:14:22
22.   LogikReader
It will be on ESPN radio, so my guess is, 710 AM for the Greater LA area.
2007-10-01 16:18:25
23.   Bluebleeder87

So it's basically a toss up I guess. I don't know man, but when Peavy is on (extra adrenaline tonight one would imagine) he can absolutely be SICK hopefully there 1st base coach goes all Mariano Duncan on Peavy...

2007-10-01 16:23:11
24.   gpellamjr
If Bad Altitude is now taking baseless predictions, I will assert that the Rockies will win tonight 9-2.

It just feels so right.

2007-10-01 16:30:04
25.   Xeifrank
23. Great pitching against great hitting, mediocre pitching against mediocre hitting. I think the rule of thumb is that mediocre pitching will always beat mediocre hitting.
Or something totally different than that. :)
Enjoy the game.
vr, Xei
2007-10-01 16:32:52
26.   Bob Timmermann
I just hope that nobody gave Josh Fogg a copy of "The Denny Galehouse Story" to read.
2007-10-01 16:33:01
27.   El Lay Dave
That Padres lineup would look a lot better with Mike Cameron and Milton Bradley in it - oh, wait.

It is hard to believe that the four NL playoff managers will be Charlie Manuel, Bob Melvin, Lou Pinella and, possibly, Clint Hurdle.

2007-10-01 16:33:40
28.   mbtn01
I adopted the Rockies as my backup team this year out of guilt for how poorly my fellow Met fans treated Kaz Matsui and out of admiration for Troy Tulowitzski's arm. Go Rockies!
2007-10-01 16:35:44
29.   underdog
I like the Rockies' line-up and am rooting for them, but with Peavy pitching I'm going to predict, against my will, a 4-2 final for Padres.

Hope I'm wrong!

2007-10-01 16:36:44
30.   Bob Timmermann
All time record
Colorado 117
San Diego 113
2007-10-01 16:40:38
31.   Bob Timmermann
Kouzmanoff had an OPS of 1.031 in September.
2007-10-01 16:44:09
32.   MC Safety
Fogg with 2 k's!
2007-10-01 16:44:39
33.   yankee23
32 And did you see the grin on his face? Priceless.
2007-10-01 16:46:08
34.   underdog
Actually the Rockies have so much more momentum than the Pads, I should just pick the team with momentum. Okay, 4-2 Rockies instead.
2007-10-01 16:46:59
35.   Bluebleeder87

He's got a good one but he also MAXIMIZES (maximum effort I guess) his throws all the time I wouldn't suggest that if I were his coach or dad...

2007-10-01 16:47:52
36.   yankee23
I'll confess that I was hoping to see Taveras as a pinch-runner, but I don't think he's activated...
2007-10-01 16:49:17
37.   D4P
Doubling on a groundball to centerfield is not easy.
2007-10-01 16:49:45
38.   Mattpat11
Nice start.
2007-10-01 16:50:09
39.   Bob Timmermann
Except in Denver.

Or when Juan Pierre plays center.

2007-10-01 16:53:00
40.   D4P
Well, I'll be happy for the Rockies if they win. I felt for most of the year that they were underachieving, and it was nice to see them finally put it together.
2007-10-01 16:53:43
41.   D4P
Or when Juan Pierre plays center in Denver, which will hopefully happen more than 81 times next year.
2007-10-01 16:54:29
42.   Bluebleeder87
Balsley's last name is bagging for jokes... (JoeyP were are though)
2007-10-01 16:55:08
43.   Bob Timmermann
The Rockies used to have BOTH Juan Pierre AND Tom Goodwin in the outfield.

Scary thought.

2007-10-01 16:55:09
44.   Bluebleeder87
Wow, I will never questin XeiFranks machine EVER again...
2007-10-01 16:56:55
45.   Bluebleeder87

Davey Johnson would have had a stroke if he were the Denver skipper.

2007-10-01 16:57:43
46.   underdog
Rockies are already halfway toward my flip-flopped predicted score!
2007-10-01 16:58:08
47.   D4P
I just discovered that the game is on TV. My TV listings showed "Everybody Loves Raymond".
2007-10-01 16:59:02
48.   Mattpat11
Somehow I doubt 2-0 holds up in this ballpark.
2007-10-01 17:00:48
49.   vockins
I called my friend in Colorado to tell him the score.

He's running out to buy a TV now.

2007-10-01 17:03:00
50.   xaphor
Tell him to pick up some soap and a razor when he's out. :)
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2007-10-01 17:03:20
51.   Ken Arneson
Which one of these pitchers is the Cy Young candidate?
2007-10-01 17:03:49
52.   El Lay Dave
50 ... for his girlfiend.
2007-10-01 17:04:15
53.   D4P
Which one of these pitchers is the Cy Young candidate?

The one with the (really bad) offense.

2007-10-01 17:04:16
54.   Bob Timmermann
It's the battle of eight-letter in total guys who are named Josh!
2007-10-01 17:05:27
55.   Mattpat11
51 Candidate?

Who the hell is competing with him?

2007-10-01 17:06:09
56.   Bluebleeder87
uuuhh, great hit by Josh Bard (nice little battle there also with the pitcher)
2007-10-01 17:06:10
57.   El Lay Dave
54 Fair is foul, and foul is fair: hover through the Fogg and thin air.
2007-10-01 17:06:45
58.   Bob Timmermann
Beware the World Series Hero.
2007-10-01 17:06:56
59.   Bob Timmermann
Or maybe not.
2007-10-01 17:08:55
60.   Bluebleeder87
you know it's not that far fetched that Josh Fogg can throw a shut out against the Pads knowing there poor offense...
2007-10-01 17:10:39
61.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres scored more runs per game this year than Arizona.
2007-10-01 17:11:35
62.   Mattpat11
Well, I guess this is sort of the playoffs. We should have expected a Peavy choke.
2007-10-01 17:12:06
63.   Bluebleeder87
Mark T.R Donohue is probably high 5ing a buddy right about know...
2007-10-01 17:12:29
64.   regfairfield
2007-10-01 17:12:44
65.   underdog
If Yorvit Torrealba can homer off of Peavy, this is definitely the Rockies' run.
2007-10-01 17:14:46
66.   underdog
55 Brandon Webb is probably the only other guy near him. Penny was another candidate but he had some bad starts the final month.
2007-10-01 17:15:06
67.   Bluebleeder87
Jake Peavy's pitches seem to be up early in the game, Torrealba's tater was hung by Peavy thats for sure.
2007-10-01 17:16:35
68.   Bluebleeder87

with any luck Brad Penny could have won at least 1 or 2 more games but like you said, he ran a little out of steam in the end.

2007-10-01 17:23:05
69.   Mattpat11
Penny ran out of steam a lot later than he usually does.
2007-10-01 17:24:06
70.   underdog
This one could quickly get competitive again in a matter of moments...
2007-10-01 17:24:17
71.   D4P
Woah. I just came back to the game to see the grand slam. Ouch.
2007-10-01 17:24:31
72.   Bluebleeder87
4-3 Pads on a Gonzalez Granny, not good.
2007-10-01 17:25:41
73.   Humma Kavula
Do not go gentle into that good night;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
2007-10-01 17:26:04
74.   regfairfield
Oh yeah, Josh Fogg is pitching.
2007-10-01 17:26:29
75.   trainwreck
Aren't you happy?
2007-10-01 17:26:52
76.   Ken Arneson
Josh Fogg is exactly who we thought he was!
2007-10-01 17:29:39
77.   underdog
As I was saying...
2007-10-01 17:32:34
78.   Humma Kavula
Thanks to Bob, we know that the record for total runs scored in a tiebreaker game is 15. Second game of the 1962 tiebreaker.

With 8 runs in 2 and a half innings, that has a chance to fall.

2007-10-01 17:33:30
79.   Bob Timmermann
Game 2 of the 1962 tiebreaker also was the longest 9-inning game in major league history for quite a while.

And it was a day game in L.A. And it was reportedly very hot and very smoggy.

2007-10-01 17:34:07
80.   Bluebleeder87
Judging from Jake Peavys 1st inning performance, it's still a toes up no?
2007-10-01 17:34:48
81.   D4P
Aren't you happy?

I'm conflicted. I was rooting for the Padres because of Depo, but I wasn't really rooting for them over the Rockies. I was rooting for them over the NL East teams.

2007-10-01 17:35:12
82.   Bob Timmermann
Toes up!
2007-10-01 17:36:18
83.   Bob Timmermann
The winner of this game decides if the NL Wild Card Division will be called the Tony Gwynn or the Todd Helton.

Helton helps his own cause.

The NL West is now the Andy Tracy Division.

Slim pickings for players who spent their entire career with Arizona.

2007-10-01 17:36:31
84.   Bob Timmermann
Excuse me, Chad Tracy Division.
2007-10-01 17:38:14
85.   underdog
80 Apparently, yep.
2007-10-01 17:39:09
86.   El Lay Dave
Did they turn down the humidor a little bit?
2007-10-01 17:39:20
87.   underdog
It's turn back the clock (pre-humidor) night at Coors Field, apparently, too.
2007-10-01 17:39:38
88.   underdog
D'oh! 10 seconds too late.
2007-10-01 17:42:19
89.   El Lay Dave
Was Morales up in the pen? He can be long relief on three-days rest, eh?
2007-10-01 17:42:47
90.   cult of basebaal
if the friars were at full strength, i'd be pulling for them ... but as i figure they're no match for anybody they play at this point (let alone the phightin' phils), i'm pulling for rockies ... long live baseball at altitude!
2007-10-01 17:47:10
91.   D4P
Good point. Rockies-Phillies should be much more exciting than Padres-Phillies.
2007-10-01 17:48:32
92.   MollyKnight
90-I'd be pulling for the Friars if they weren't nicknamed the Friars.
2007-10-01 17:51:47
93.   Sam DC
Pretty funny.
2007-10-01 17:52:43
94.   cult of basebaal
92 yes, but would you root for them if they were nicknamed "The Fryers"???

mmm, the fryers ...

2007-10-01 17:53:02
95.   Bluebleeder87

I'm nostalgic so I could of dig it...

2007-10-01 17:53:20
96.   confucius
Fogg looked good in the fourth but I'd be going to the 'pen for the fifth if I were the manager.
2007-10-01 17:54:09
97.   Bluebleeder87
Looks like Gonzalez has Josh Foggs #...
2007-10-01 17:57:57
98.   D4P
The tough thing about games like this is that one team has to lose.
2007-10-01 17:58:52
99.   vockins
Spicoli pops out to shallow right.
2007-10-01 18:03:31
100.   Eric Stephen
Gonzalez's grand slam put him at exactly 30 HR & 100 RBI. He already had 100 runs. Adrian became only the 4th Padre to have 30/100/100 in a season:

Player, Year (HR/R/RBI)
Caminiti, 1996 (40/109/130)
Vaughn, 1998 (50/112/119)
Klesko, 2001 (30/105/113)
Gonzalez, 2007 (30/101/100 so far)

These 4 players are also the only Padres in history to have 100 runs & RBI (no HR threshold).

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2007-10-01 18:03:52
101.   El Lay Dave
If you're going to pull Fogg because the first guy reaches, why let him bat with one out in the previous 1/2 inning?
2007-10-01 18:05:14
102.   Mattpat11
Who's announcing? There's a lot of dead air.
2007-10-01 18:07:01
103.   Eric Stephen
That was a nice effort by Clark. I actually liked when the Dodgers acquired him; I thought he would be a nice 4th OF for them, but it didn't work out.
2007-10-01 18:07:05
104.   cult of basebaal
that M-V-P chant was awesome ... way to hit, holly!
2007-10-01 18:07:57
105.   Eric Stephen
101 That decision was a Little curious.
2007-10-01 18:09:45
106.   MC Safety
I hated Greg Vaughn.
2007-10-01 18:10:56
107.   mehmattski
According to Gameday, strike three was about a foot outside.
2007-10-01 18:13:05
108.   Bluebleeder87

that's pretty crazy, I though this was a playoff game!?

2007-10-01 18:13:59
109.   underdog
This is a good game. Too bad it took me this long to realize I could watch it via MLBTV here at work.
2007-10-01 18:14:16
110.   trainwreck
I had no idea TBS showed "The Office."
2007-10-01 18:15:51
111.   cult of basebaal
102 and that's a bad thing??? i'd go for a feed that was just stadium and crowd noise, no announcers at all ...
2007-10-01 18:16:56
112.   MC Safety
110-I had no idea they showed Family Guy back to back either.
2007-10-01 18:17:01
113.   Humma Kavula
108 Nope, tiebreakers are regular season games.
2007-10-01 18:17:06
114.   coachjpark
Is this a Grady-like ploy to get Peavy 20 wins at the expense of possibly getting into the playoffs????
2007-10-01 18:17:10
115.   Eric Stephen
108 This is game 163 of the regular season. Good luck to anyone breaking Maury Wills' record of 165 games played in 1962.

106 I like Vaughn, if only because I drafted him in my fantasy baseball league that year for $1, and before the pick I announced "this is the pick of the draft."

2007-10-01 18:19:10
116.   Bob Timmermann
The announcers are Don Orsillo and Joe Simpson.

I wonder what Orsillo knows about the NL West. I'm guessing very little.

2007-10-01 18:19:24
117.   coachjpark
Bad move on catching the ball. Why not let the ball drop and possibly turn two or at least force Peavy to be the runner there should it somehow take a weird hop back into fair territory?
2007-10-01 18:19:33
118.   trainwreck
I wish this game would have counted towards fantasy baseball.
2007-10-01 18:19:34
119.   D4P
Good luck to anyone breaking Maury Wills' record of 165 games played in 1962

"Ooh! Ooh! Let me try! Ooh!"

2007-10-01 18:19:46
120.   Bluebleeder87

That's syndication territory no? (nation wide channel etc..) but I'm not a t.v. noeth...

2007-10-01 18:21:43
121.   Bluebleeder87
100 -113

let it be known that Gonzalez did not hit his 30/100/100 in 162 games.

2007-10-01 18:22:57
122.   D4P
Correct. This is Gonzales's 161st game of the year.
2007-10-01 18:23:37
123.   Bob Timmermann
Let the record reflect that the Padres combo of sand-colored shirts and sand-colored pants look bad.

I assume they had to do that because the Rockies are wearing black shirts.

At least the Rockies aren't wearing purple.

2007-10-01 18:24:14
124.   Humma Kavula
119 The more games he plays in, the better chance he has to rack up hits, and the greater his chances for the Hall of Fame, which I want to happen, because I believe in the destruction of all things good and holy.

So, yes: 166 games for Juan Pierre! Hell, 170 games! Rack 'em up!

2007-10-01 18:24:16
125.   Linkmeister
I just looked up Orsillo, since I'd never heard of him.

What does he know of the National League period, much less the NL West? Is he even aware there's baseball west of NY?

2007-10-01 18:24:44
126.   Eric Stephen
119 I'd be OK with that, as that would mean the Dodgers would at least have a shot at the playoffs, with some weird hybrid tiebreakers for both the wild card and division that we almost had this year.
2007-10-01 18:24:46
127.   D4P
There's no purple in baseball.

At least, there shouldn't be.

2007-10-01 18:24:54
128.   Bluebleeder87


2007-10-01 18:26:43
129.   Bob Timmermann
There is the odd chance that a team could have three tie games, but changes in the rules have made ties nearly impossible.
2007-10-01 18:26:50
130.   trainwreck
Nor steel prints on shoulder pads or puke green uniforms in football.
2007-10-01 18:27:01
131.   MC Safety
115- I kind of did that with Matt Holliday this year.
2007-10-01 18:27:54
132.   Eric Stephen
123 I don't really like any Padre uniforms, especially the camouflage. I suppose the home whites (tops and bottoms) are acceptable though. They should just go back to the brown and mustard.

Orsillo I believe won the Essex County Sean McDonough Sound Alike Contest™.

2007-10-01 18:28:44
133.   MC Safety
115- besides the dollar flier thing.
2007-10-01 18:29:00
134.   Saburo
What's with all the pitching changes this inning? Do both teams still have 40-man rosters for this game?
2007-10-01 18:29:50
135.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
79 Giants vs Dodgers playoff game: Oct 2, 1962, 4 hrs, 18 minutes for a 9-inning playoff game. I remember listening to the game on my transistor radio long after my 5th grade class had been let out for the day. Don't remember how hot it was (I was just a few miles away from Dodger Stadium at the time, in a school near Echo Park) but every day was smoggy back in those days. We used to return from recess coughing.
2007-10-01 18:30:32
136.   Bob Timmermann
The Red Sox did have series against both San Diego and Colorado this year, so at least Orsillo saw some of the players. But San Diego's roster has really turned over since the Red Sox last played them.

Jose Cruz batted leadoff for the Padres in one of the games against the Red Sox. And Russell Branyan was in left.

2007-10-01 18:30:39
137.   Bluebleeder87

I'm o.k with the mustard colored ones specially on turn the clock nights, they look pretty cool.

2007-10-01 18:32:02
138.   mehmattski
Ah, apparently we're into the "Pitchers I've never heard of" section of the game. Yes, you can take your East Coast Bias rants out on me.
2007-10-01 18:32:20
139.   El Lay Dave
127 The NY Giants used purple in their uniform some season in the 1910s.

I like the purple used to trim the home whites and road grays. A solid purple jersey is a horrendous idea.

2007-10-01 18:33:27
140.   El Lay Dave
134 It's a regular-season game after Sept. 1, so I'd assume expanded rosters still apply.
2007-10-01 18:33:39
141.   D4P
The purples used by the DBacks and Rockies scream "expansion team"
2007-10-01 18:33:55
142.   El Lay Dave
140 ... until Timmermann tells me I'm wrong.
2007-10-01 18:34:15
143.   D4P
Torrealba Plays the Game the Right Way
2007-10-01 18:34:27
144.   trainwreck
Didn't the scouting reports say that Kouzmanoff was a terrible defender?
2007-10-01 18:34:53
145.   underdog
Head first slide into first... {no comment}
2007-10-01 18:35:49
146.   El Lay Dave
141 When you get to the 29-32 teams in baseball, what colors are left?
2007-10-01 18:35:56
147.   Mattpat11
What was Brady Clark doing there?
2007-10-01 18:36:00
148.   Eric Stephen
I've never heard of Seth Smith until today.
2007-10-01 18:36:10
149.   Bluebleeder87
I wonder if the ChiSox ever wear the horrid shorts during turn the clock nights/days, oh man...

ps check it out [ ]

2007-10-01 18:36:27
150.   underdog
Seth Smith... ?
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2007-10-01 18:37:36
151.   Bob Timmermann
The historical LA Times said that 10/2/1962 had temps in the high 70s and low 80s, but the smog was listed as "moderate to heavy."

That must have been awful. Few people realize how much smog has been reduced in the Southern California area.

Denver is just as smoggy as L.A. now.

2007-10-01 18:37:47
152.   D4P
I've never seen Seth Smith hit a triple until today.
2007-10-01 18:37:51
153.   cult of basebaal
149 man, those shorts aren't even as bad as those horrible shirts ... wow

you rock on, seth smith!

2007-10-01 18:38:26
154.   coachjpark
Awful, Brady Clark. Awful.
2007-10-01 18:38:35
155.   mehmattski
Seth Smith (24), Minor League Career:

1768 AB .311/.372/.504

That was his first major league extra base hit.

2007-10-01 18:39:19
156.   Bob Timmermann
Seth Smith finishes his 2007 major league season with a .625 batting average.

This is not Brady Clark's best inning of defense.

2007-10-01 18:39:20
157.   D4P
Maybe those are tough plays, but Brady Clark looks silly out there.
2007-10-01 18:39:22
158.   coachjpark
3 awful plays in a row....
2007-10-01 18:39:28
159.   Mattpat11
Brady Clark is an adventure
2007-10-01 18:39:49
160.   Linkmeister
132 I knew there was somebody Orsillo sounded like.
2007-10-01 18:39:53
161.   trainwreck
Brady Clark = Rockies MVP
2007-10-01 18:39:56
162.   mehmattski
Man do the Pads miss Mike Cameron.
2007-10-01 18:40:01
163.   El Lay Dave
155 2004 2nd round pick of the Rockies, from Ole Miss.
2007-10-01 18:40:02
164.   underdog
Mike Cameron is missed quite a bit today isn't he?
2007-10-01 18:40:18
165.   Bob Timmermann
OK, so maybe the Dodgers were better off with Juan Pierre in center.
2007-10-01 18:40:32
166.   underdog
Darnit, I'm just a step too slow today!

Okay, I'm leaving work. Good luck!

2007-10-01 18:41:21
167.   cult of basebaal
damn, not a good night to be brady clark ...
2007-10-01 18:41:50
168.   coachjpark
166 Juan Pierre probably makes either the first or third play, but no way he throws out Seth Smith or catches both balls.
2007-10-01 18:42:25
169.   Bob Timmermann
Seth Smith is the seventh player since 1901 to finish a major league season batting .625.

The last one was Mike Morgan.

2007-10-01 18:42:36
170.   mehmattski
163 According to the radio announcers, Smith was a QB at Ole Miss too. He was Eli Manning's backup.
2007-10-01 18:42:38
171.   cult of basebaal
holy crap, ANOTHER ball to brady clark ... man, now i just feel bad
2007-10-01 18:44:19
172.   Bob Timmermann
Now it's time for LaTroy "Screaming Line Drive" Hawkins.
2007-10-01 18:44:43
173.   trainwreck
LaTroy Hawkins...

Time to be afraid.

2007-10-01 18:45:37
174.   Eric Stephen
I feel bad for not knowing who Seth Smith was. I generally follow prospects, especially fellow NL West clubs. I forget which ignorant announcing crew I ripped for saying of Tony Abreu "whoever that is", but that's how I feel about not knowing Seth Smith.
2007-10-01 18:46:33
175.   RIYank
I wonder if Bernie Williams is watching this game.
2007-10-01 18:46:38
176.   El Lay Dave
172 One of the best nicknames ever.
2007-10-01 18:47:25
177.   Linkmeister
172 You just think I don't get that reference, don't you?

2007-10-01 18:48:35
178.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
151 Thanks to the catalytic converter. Unfortunately, it was developed too late to prevent millions of boomers from developing Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease in the next decade. Nonetheless, nothing I breathed in L.A. during the 50s-60s was as bad as what I inhaled in Beijing last year. Hope the Chinese can clean up their act before the 2008 Olympics.

Meanwhile, what a great game!

2007-10-01 18:48:45
179.   D4P
Colored alert for Gonzalez
2007-10-01 18:48:55
180.   Bob Timmermann
According to USA Today, Orsillo and Simspon will head to Philadelphia after this game to broadcast that series which will involve the winner of this game.

Dick Stockton and Ron Darling (a late addition) will do the Arizona-Chicago series.

Ted Robinson and Steve Stone will work the Angels-Red Sox series.

Chip Caray, Bob Brenly, and Tony Gwynn will work the Yankees-Indians series.

2007-10-01 18:49:00
181.   Gen3Blue
Oh Tulowitz! I guess it's decided, I'm a rocks fan in this.
2007-10-01 18:49:36
182.   Bluebleeder87
I forget which ignorant announcing crew I ripped for saying of Tony Abreu "whoever that is"

Somebody that gets paid to know that stuff said that!!?? as a baseball viewer I would have been insulted by that (depending on the mood I was in, of course)

2007-10-01 18:50:15
183.   Bob Timmermann
Yellow alert for Adrian Gonzalez!

He's had three triples this year.

No Padre has ever hit for the cycle.

2007-10-01 18:50:47
184.   Linkmeister
181 Yeah, I concluded that I was rooting for them pretty quickly. I'm not sure whether it's "they took us out of it with those seven games late, so they earned it," or whether it's "I can't root for the Padres."
2007-10-01 18:50:50
185.   D4P
Is Dick Stockton any good with baseball? I generally like him with basketball.
2007-10-01 18:51:37
186.   D4P
"Let the record state that Adrian Gonzalez did not hit for the cycle in 162 games"
2007-10-01 18:53:08
187.   Eric Stephen
182 It was the Rockies announcers, I remember. I can't remember if it was Drew Goodman or George Frazier though.
2007-10-01 18:53:46
188.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres will get the top of the order up in the 9th.

Unless they get a lot of guys on in the 8th. And I've seen the Padres come up with a few late-inning rallies.

The Padres have won 10 games when trailing going to the 8th and 7 when trailing when heading to the 9th.

2007-10-01 18:54:06
189.   trainwreck
I don't think I am going to like Stockton doing baseball.
2007-10-01 18:54:33
190.   Bob Timmermann
Dick Stockton did a nice call of Fisk's home run in the 1975 World Series, but he hasn't called baseball in a long time.
2007-10-01 18:56:27
191.   Eric Stephen
185 Stockton used to be good (or decent, I guess) at baseball, but I think he's just slow these days.

His call of Fisk's 1975 WS HR was pretty low key -- "If it stays fair...home run."

I'm sure the TBS announcing search was from a combination of talent and availability, mostly the latter.

2007-10-01 18:56:46
192.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
188 If the Rockies get to the 9th with a lead, they are in good shape with Corpas.
2007-10-01 18:57:01
193.   Mattpat11
That looked like a HR
2007-10-01 18:57:03
194.   trainwreck
2007-10-01 18:58:12
195.   mehmattski
No carbohydrates were consumed in the ripping of that line drive!
2007-10-01 18:58:23
196.   Eric Stephen
If the ball has to clear the yellow line to be a HR (as opposed to just hitting it), what is the point of making the line yellow?
2007-10-01 18:58:43
197.   Gen3Blue
Looked like it went clean over the yellow to me.
2007-10-01 18:58:49
198.   trainwreck
Clint Hurdle's face is turning purple.
2007-10-01 18:59:22
199.   cult of basebaal
more good work by blue ... and WTF? is up with this announcing team, that was SO CLEARLY a homerun
2007-10-01 18:59:41
200.   Mattpat11
196 I was wondering the same
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2007-10-01 19:00:11
201.   Gen3Blue
Who are these? Padres announcers? That was a homer.
2007-10-01 19:00:16
202.   Eric Stephen
Padres hoping for the lonesome death of Jamey Carroll on the bases.
2007-10-01 19:00:20
203.   Bluebleeder87

He was probably jealous cause we have a SICK farm system, although there young'uns aren't to shaby either, I'm still a little annoyed he said that though, not cool, SPECIALLY for a paid professional!

2007-10-01 19:00:27
204.   Raf
Isn't the yellow line padded? Methinks the ball bounced off of something metallic, for it to come back to the field like that.
2007-10-01 19:00:55
205.   mehmattski
Poor Ryan Spilborghs. Make them pay.
2007-10-01 19:01:18
206.   Bob Timmermann
Is William Zantzinger coming in to relieve?
2007-10-01 19:01:38
207.   mehmattski
204 Radio announcer said it bounced off of a wheelchair in the first row.
2007-10-01 19:01:53
208.   Bluebleeder87

I thought Steve Lyons was going to have playoff games with TBS as well? (that's what I remember somebody saying)

2007-10-01 19:01:54
209.   Eric Stephen
Do BBWAA voters get an extra day to turn in their award votes, or is the deadline generally the day before the playoffs start anyway?

Regardless of his performance today, Peavy should win the CYA anyway. I'm just saying.

2007-10-01 19:02:23
210.   cult of basebaal
204 seemed to bounce off a wheelchair that was parked just behind the fence ...
2007-10-01 19:02:23
211.   El Lay Dave
1-run lead, bottom of the 7th is a little earlier for the PR/def. replacement. If the Pads forge ahead, Carroll (or PH) could be hitting instead of Atkins in the 9th.
2007-10-01 19:03:02
212.   Mattpat11
Michael Barrett in.

Who does he attack?

2007-10-01 19:03:12
213.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
211 I agree. Atkins's bat is too important in a close game.
2007-10-01 19:03:29
214.   Eric Stephen
208 Maybe Lyons is who Darling is replacing. Maybe TBS didn't want the combustible Lyons/Piniella combo that resulted in his national ousting last year!
2007-10-01 19:03:31
215.   Bluebleeder87
Peavy pitched like a mere human today, I dig it.
2007-10-01 19:03:44
216.   mehmattski
209 More relevant is the discussion of the NL MVP with this game- I think he's locked it up, Home/Road splits be damned. Chipper Jones leads in OPS+, Miguel Cabrera in Win Shares, Albert Pujols in Runs Created. But among the playoff teams (clearly what matters to the BBWAA), it's gotta be Holliday or Rollins.
2007-10-01 19:03:55
217.   Mattpat11
215 Peavy pitched like playoff Peavy
2007-10-01 19:04:43
218.   Bob Timmermann
I believe the fence has a yellow pad at the top to provide contrast between it and the seats.

The seats behind it are green and the fence is predominantly green as well.

I think the tipoff that the ball didn't cross the fence was the fact that you could see a woman in a wheelchair making the universal "darn it!" symbol when the ball bounced back.

2007-10-01 19:06:00
219.   Mattpat11
218 She could have been darning that the ball bounced back on to the field.
2007-10-01 19:06:07
220.   Eric Stephen
218 The contrast makes sense. Thanks Bob.
2007-10-01 19:06:16
221.   El Lay Dave
Peavy didn't give up a big inning, but he only pitched one, full, scoreless inning.

They should have hit for him in the 6th.

2007-10-01 19:06:22
222.   Bob Timmermann
Peavy still won the pitcher's Triple Crown and by a fairly wide margin. He should win the Cy Young Award easily.

The MVP vote is going to be very close in the NL.

I assume it will be either Rollins or Holliday.

I remember when David Wright was a candidate. I remember it like it was just two weeks ago.

2007-10-01 19:06:44
223.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
209 I doubt Holliday has it wrapped up. East coast writers will break for Rollins.
2007-10-01 19:07:03
224.   El Lay Dave
219 or that she didn't get the great souvenir.
2007-10-01 19:07:17
225.   Bluebleeder87
come on Torrealba pull the trigger...
2007-10-01 19:08:25
226.   Gen3Blue
Seriously, who do these announcers belong to.
2007-10-01 19:08:50
227.   Eric Stephen
206 Take the rag away from your face, Padre fans. For now ain't the time for your tears.
2007-10-01 19:09:37
228.   trainwreck
I am not going to be able to deal with Dane Cook during these playoffs.
2007-10-01 19:09:46
229.   Bob Timmermann
Orsillo - Red Sox
Simpson - Braves
2007-10-01 19:09:49
230.   cult of basebaal
218 i believe that's actually the "i brought my glove to a game and i'm 43 and i have like teh awesome seats and now somebody's hit this homerun right too me and i can't even bother reaching over to the next seat and catching it and now my team is being robbed of a homerun" gesture
2007-10-01 19:10:54
231.   Bob Timmermann
Perhaps that's the Colorado dialect.
2007-10-01 19:11:58
232.   Bluebleeder87

I missed a couple of innings, the visual sounds priceless!

2007-10-01 19:12:08
233.   Mattpat11
Well, that wasn't a very flattering cross section of Rocky fans
2007-10-01 19:12:19
234.   Eric Stephen
230 Omar Daal approves of your name.
2007-10-01 19:14:54
235.   Bluebleeder87
man, Fuentes can look flat out sick some times, that last pitched was a thing of beauty.
2007-10-01 19:16:16
236.   Eric Stephen
I know it's Coors Field and all, but that situation screamed bunt.

-8th inning
-down one run
-Brady Clark batting

Barrett to follow, with the top of the order coming up after him.

2007-10-01 19:17:12
237.   coachjpark
Looks like Adrian Gonzalez is assured of a shot in the 9th...
2007-10-01 19:18:05
238.   El Lay Dave
237 Unless Blum is CS at third! or some such thing.
2007-10-01 19:18:17
239.   trainwreck
Wow, that was terrible.
2007-10-01 19:18:22
240.   Bluebleeder87
oh my god! come on Holliday!
2007-10-01 19:18:25
241.   xaphor
Well that wasn't very MVPish
2007-10-01 19:18:28
242.   coachjpark
Certainly not a defensive MVP!!!
2007-10-01 19:18:31
243.   Eric Stephen
Wow. There goes the MVP.
2007-10-01 19:18:35
244.   El Lay Dave
236 Not a big fan of that strategy on the road.
2007-10-01 19:18:37
245.   Bob Timmermann
Jimmy Rollins clears off some shelf space after that play.
2007-10-01 19:19:23
246.   El Lay Dave
Who was it that had the irrational hatred of the Giles brothers?
2007-10-01 19:19:35
247.   coachjpark
That's a double???
2007-10-01 19:20:04
248.   Bob Timmermann
I assume that the ball came of Giles's bat with a funny sound. It didn't sound like it would carry as far as it would.
2007-10-01 19:20:28
249.   Bob Timmermann
Raises hand.
2007-10-01 19:20:52
250.   Bluebleeder87

Vishal hates all things Giles Elder if I remember correctly

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2007-10-01 19:21:23
251.   Eric Stephen
Holiday's Howler© or Matt's Misjudgment®?
2007-10-01 19:21:24
252.   mehmattski
Just to cut off Bob T at the pass:

There has never been a one game playoff that went to extra innings.

2007-10-01 19:21:34
253.   Gen3Blue
Darn-is Holiday one of those "good hitting" outfielders, or am I mistreating him?
2007-10-01 19:22:46
254.   Bluebleeder87

not to make excuses for Holliday but it probably also had some tailing action on it also.

2007-10-01 19:24:39
255.   El Lay Dave
I just had visions of the proposal by some pundits of moving Juan Pierre to LF. Blecch.
2007-10-01 19:25:06
256.   El Lay Dave
Now this screams bunt.
2007-10-01 19:25:53
257.   Bob Timmermann
Matsui uses the Denver chop.

The Rockies led the majors in sacrifices this year with 83.

2007-10-01 19:26:29
258.   Bob Timmermann
Orange alert for Tulowitzki!
2007-10-01 19:26:29
259.   mehmattski
Matsui is an excellent Baltimore Chopper. That doesn't show in his OPS. Take that, statheads.
2007-10-01 19:27:04
260.   Eric Stephen
Heath Bell is trying to catch Joe Beimel in pitcher assists.
2007-10-01 19:27:48
261.   mehmattski
257 Thanks, I was wondering about that and I was about to call Thief River Falls.
2007-10-01 19:30:26
262.   RIYank
And what is the explanation for the Rockies' extreme use of that tactic?
2007-10-01 19:30:38
263.   Bob Timmermann
Greg Maddux led the majors in pitcher assists this year.

He had 51. Brandon Webb had 50.

2007-10-01 19:31:08
264.   Bluebleeder87
I've heard Cal Ripken plays mad hoops.
2007-10-01 19:32:14
265.   Bob Timmermann
Living on the East Coast, you are spared from excessive exposure to the mysterious managerial machinations of Clint Hurdle.

Clint loves sacrifices.

2007-10-01 19:32:51
266.   El Lay Dave
262 The pitchers had 46 of them. I think that's pretty high.
2007-10-01 19:33:40
267.   Eric Stephen
263 I just looked that up too. Maddux is amazing, leading the majors in assists in only 193 IP.

Heath Bell is now at 17 assists, 5 behind Beimel's 22 (in only 67 IP!).

2007-10-01 19:33:58
268.   Gen3Blue
Oh, those Patriots. Sorry, but I often have to hear about west coast FB, and even BB!!

Wow I never thought Cal R. would start to look like Uncle Fester. Must be a bald thing.

2007-10-01 19:33:59
269.   trainwreck
Damn, that was nice.
2007-10-01 19:34:05
270.   Bob Timmermann
Saul Rivera of Washington led relief pitchers in assists with 26. Joe Beimel was second with 22.
2007-10-01 19:34:47
271.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
How close is Tulowitzki going to make the race for ROY with Braun?
2007-10-01 19:34:48
272.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
How close is Tulowitzki going to make the race for ROY with Braun?
2007-10-01 19:34:51
273.   RIYank
Ah. So, it's maybe 265 some overuse, but 266 also skill?
2007-10-01 19:35:05
274.   trainwreck
Should have kept in Atkins.
2007-10-01 19:35:06
275.   Eric Stephen
It's walk-off time.
2007-10-01 19:35:55
276.   Bob Timmermann
In 2006, Sullivan and Barmes each had 19 sacrifices, tied for second in the NL behind Oswalt.
2007-10-01 19:37:08
277.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
If so, I'd expect it to be Hawpe -- though I seem to remember Helton connecting on one not long ago (gulp).
2007-10-01 19:37:10
278.   Bob Timmermann
The Rockies do bunt well. Except for Matsui, who is supposed to be a great bunter because he's Japanese.

They like to destroy stereotypes.

2007-10-01 19:37:10
279.   RIYank
Every time I see Torrealba's name, I think, "Derek Jeter must like him a lot."

Speaking of East Coast perspectives.

2007-10-01 19:37:27
280.   mehmattski
Helton, walk off homer on the third pitch.
2007-10-01 19:37:47
281.   El Lay Dave
276 What else can you do with a guy who put up a .264 OBP that year (Barmes)?
2007-10-01 19:38:14
282.   Bob Timmermann
Wow, Bell is still out there.

Black must have no faith in Brocail or Kevin Cameron.

2007-10-01 19:38:41
283.   Gen3Blue
Bell looks like = Wells.
2007-10-01 19:38:49
284.   El Lay Dave
274 as called in 211
2007-10-01 19:38:58
285.   Bluebleeder87
how many innings did they trot out Bell?

there trying to bust a Eric Gagne surca a few years a go.

2007-10-01 19:38:58
286.   RIYank
280 Nope. Pay up, mehmattski.
2007-10-01 19:39:54
287.   Bob Timmermann
Bell has given up just three homers this year: Griffey, Tracy, and Berkman. All of them in San Diego.
2007-10-01 19:39:57
288.   mehmattski
286 I have sorely underestimated Heath Bell. They should name a candy bar after him or something.
2007-10-01 19:40:25
289.   Bluebleeder87

I've always felt he looks more like what Broxton would look like if he were to lose a few.

2007-10-01 19:40:38
290.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
hawpe, hawpe!
2007-10-01 19:41:19
291.   RIYank
288 Hmmmmmm.
Yeah, they could put it in ice cream. Yeah, that would be a good flavor.
Coffee Bell Crunch.
2007-10-01 19:41:39
292.   Hallux Valgus
I have never been to a louder stadium than Coors when the Rox are winning. I have also never been to a quieter stadium every other year. I have been to a lot of stadiums, but spent hundreds of days (nights) at Coors. I'm sad for the Dodgers, but I need the Rox to make it. They were my surrogate team when I spent my formative years in CO. I've been following these kids since the minors. And the Broncos look like wet hot hell.
2007-10-01 19:41:58
293.   Bluebleeder87
Holliday looks like RoboCop™ with out a hat on.
2007-10-01 19:42:06
294.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres would have to bat for Bell if this goes to extra innings.

Wouldn't they?

2007-10-01 19:42:15
295.   Daniel Zappala
First time seeing the Padres on TV this year, and boy those uniforms are ugly. Definitely rooting for the Rockies of all the NL teams at this point. They're geographically closer, and the Padres get no points for being nicknamed the Friars, even if I was a Friar in high school. I've just always disliked the Padres.
2007-10-01 19:42:24
296.   El Lay Dave
IBB to force Corpas out of the game? Strange idea, I know.....
2007-10-01 19:43:32
297.   Daniel Zappala
What's the comment record for Bad Altitude?
2007-10-01 19:43:53
298.   Hallux Valgus
297 I'd guess it's around 40.
2007-10-01 19:44:07
299.   mehmattski
Koshansky needs to do his best Seth Smith impression.
2007-10-01 19:44:34
300.   Bluebleeder87

I think we nuked the record, Daniel.

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2007-10-01 19:44:36
301.   Eric Stephen
No shansky to catch up to that heat.
2007-10-01 19:45:01
302.   RIYank
Yeah, I still have trouble with this NL pinch hitting for the pitcher thing. Confusing.
2007-10-01 19:45:06
303.   Bob Timmermann
While Seth Smith's .625 BA is rare, Joe Koshansky's .083 BA is not.
2007-10-01 19:45:27
304.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
Clint Hurdle's lifting Atkins for a pr in the 7th really takes the heart out of the middle of that lineup.
2007-10-01 19:45:53
305.   Bob Timmermann
Whose turn now for the Rockies on the mound?

Jorge Julio?

2007-10-01 19:46:28
306.   Hallux Valgus
If it's up to DHL, Kenny Lofton will never see his stuff. Sorry, Kenny.
2007-10-01 19:46:35
307.   RIYank
So, is this now officially the longest season ever??? I mean, now that we're at 162 games plus ten innings?
2007-10-01 19:46:40
308.   El Lay Dave
Hurdle has burned through a lot of players in nine innings. Black has not.
2007-10-01 19:46:44
309.   Bluebleeder87
you gotta give props to Josh Bell he trully looked unhittable in his outing.
2007-10-01 19:47:14
310.   Bob Timmermann
It's a battle of former Dodgers, who are not quite beloved.
2007-10-01 19:47:29
311.   Eric Stephen
307 1962 went to 165 games (3 gm playoff between LA and SF).
2007-10-01 19:47:36
312.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
307 Before divisions, playoffs were best out of 3. In 1962, the Dodgers and Giants played 165 games.
2007-10-01 19:47:42
313.   Bob Timmermann
The 1962 season went 165 games.
2007-10-01 19:47:50
314.   trainwreck
It would be appropriate if Clint Hurdle's dumb moves cost the Rockies.
2007-10-01 19:48:09
315.   Shaun P
305 Time to go to a starter? The Rockies' good 'pen pitchers are almost gone. If they don't win it soon . . .

308 That might be the difference in the game.

2007-10-01 19:48:45
316.   Bob Timmermann
Dodger fans reflexively react to the year 1962 even if we weren't born then.
2007-10-01 19:48:51
317.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
nice catch! /sarcasm
2007-10-01 19:49:11
318.   RIYank
Oh yeah, 1962, I totally forgot.
2007-10-01 19:49:23
319.   Bluebleeder87
you gotta wonder what Holliday is thinking out there in LF knowing he's the reason there playing extra innings, wow.
2007-10-01 19:49:35
320.   coachjpark
310 Herges was my favorite Dodger in 2000....
2007-10-01 19:49:37
321.   Bob Timmermann
Is Black going to use Hoffman in a tie game on the road? He tends not to.
2007-10-01 19:49:57
322.   Hallux Valgus
from what I understand, there was this year called 1962... not sure where I heard about it.
2007-10-01 19:50:20
323.   mehmattski
Terrmel Sledge is still playing baseball? Why?
2007-10-01 19:50:33
324.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
316 October 1963 made life worth living again (at least in baseball, and before November 22).
2007-10-01 19:50:35
325.   Bluebleeder87
Bob, why did they play 3 extra games that year?
2007-10-01 19:50:40
326.   Hallux Valgus
319 He's also a big reason they made it to game 163, so he shouldn't feel too bad.
2007-10-01 19:50:42
327.   Bob Timmermann
A starter?

The Rockies still have Dan Serafini and Denny Bautista to use.

2007-10-01 19:50:45
328.   Shaun P
Unless Yahoo's box score is lying (like it did when Seattle was "on the road" vs Cleveland), NONE of the Rockies' relievers threw many pitches. Was Hurdle that desperate to play Tony LaRussa mix-and-match?
2007-10-01 19:50:56
329.   Linkmeister
307 And some of us were, he said bitterly.

Stan Williams, pffft.

2007-10-01 19:50:58
330.   RIYank
321 Hmmm. It might be different now: no tomorrow to save him for, so to speak.
2007-10-01 19:51:45
331.   Hallux Valgus
ooh, Mike Cameron pulling the emotional Willis Reed
2007-10-01 19:51:48
332.   Bob Timmermann
The NL tiebreakers were 2 out of 3 until they went to 2 divisions.

The only AL tiebreaker before 2 divisions was a one-game affair.

2007-10-01 19:51:55
333.   Bluebleeder87
Termel Sledge is a fellow Angelino I think.
2007-10-01 19:51:56
334.   Eric Stephen
321 Depends if the Rockies' expanded rosters include Dave Winfield, Jr., Steve Garvey, Jr., or Randy Jones, Jr. (or I suppose, Jackie Robinson, Jr.).
2007-10-01 19:52:08
335.   Linkmeister
oops, my 329 referred to Bob's 316 .
2007-10-01 19:52:24
336.   mehmattski
327 And Ramon Ortiz!
2007-10-01 19:53:44
337.   Shaun P
336 That is not a good thing! It seems neither Ortiz nor Dessens has pitched in a few weeks though, so maybe Hurdle won't possibly be tempted to use them.
2007-10-01 19:54:01
338.   Eric Stephen
I don't think "Chuck" is going to be recorded this evening by my DVR.
2007-10-01 19:54:16
339.   Bluebleeder87
Herges family owns a pub in Chicago if I remember correctly.
2007-10-01 19:54:56
340.   Eric Stephen
That was a strike.
2007-10-01 19:55:12
341.   El Lay Dave
Franklin Morales for Giles? Is Morales warming up?
2007-10-01 19:55:21
342.   Shaun P
For those watching/listening - have any of the various announcers mentioned that, on the road, the Pads are like 3rd in the NL in runs?
2007-10-01 19:55:35
343.   Eric Stephen
339 You saying Hollandsworth's sister was drunk when she "fell" for Matt? :)
2007-10-01 19:56:04
344.   Bluebleeder87
Destiny is calling Rox, come on!
2007-10-01 19:56:17
345.   Daniel Zappala
I thought for sure Herges would get burned there. Can't believe they had to rely on him in the 10th.
2007-10-01 19:57:45
346.   Shaun P
345 If they (the Rockies) don't win now, its only going to get worse.
2007-10-01 19:58:03
347.   Raf
338 FWIW, they replayed the pilot on SciFi last night, so that's an option.
2007-10-01 19:58:50
348.   Raf
Saving Hoffman for a save opportunity that may never come...
2007-10-01 19:58:52
349.   RIYank
No Hoffman.
2007-10-01 19:59:01
350.   Bluebleeder87

that's what I was thinking too but he did a good job.

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2007-10-01 19:59:02
351.   Xeifrank
Sure looks like a 50.65% game to me. :)
vr, Xei
2007-10-01 19:59:43
352.   RIYank
Hm, high concentration of pinstripers among the discussants here tonight I see!
2007-10-01 19:59:51
353.   Hallux Valgus
347 watching last night is an option tonight? What kind of magic DVR do you have?
2007-10-01 20:00:09
354.   El Lay Dave
Isn't this one of those almost all pitchers available situations? Morales has had 3 days rest and Francis 2. At some point, these are the guys Hurdle has to go to. Adrian Gonzalez hasn't seen a lefty yet, and Hurdle has used two!
2007-10-01 20:00:17
355.   coachjpark
Who do the Pads have to pinch-hit? Would Cameron be able to hit?
2007-10-01 20:00:25
356.   mehmattski
To the Yankees fans around: see, Torre isn't the only one to not use his closer in tie games on the road.
2007-10-01 20:02:19
357.   El Lay Dave
348 8-9-1 in the order for the Rockies. If Hoffman doesn't pitch next inning against Tulo-Holliday-Helton, that will be cause for discussion.
2007-10-01 20:02:30
358.   Bluebleeder87
I wonder if the Rockies have a winning song they play at home when they win.
2007-10-01 20:03:07
359.   coachjpark
If the game continues after 9 PM (PST), it's a tough call.... watch some Heroes, or watch Hiro Nakamura and company.....
2007-10-01 20:03:17
360.   El Lay Dave
358 "Rocky Mountain Way" ;)
2007-10-01 20:03:26
361.   Bluebleeder87

your machine if pretty accurate XeiFrank, wow!

2007-10-01 20:04:19
362.   Eric Stephen
342 "like 3rd" = 4th, but your point still stands. Of course, the Padres benefit because none of their road games are at the most extreme pitchers' park in the majors (Petco), while other teams do in fact have road games at Petco.

However, they are a legit 4th. They scored 410 runs on the road (behind Phi/NY/Atl), and the 5th place team was 28 runs behind (Colorado, 382).

2007-10-01 20:04:34
363.   Shaun P
352 Gotta keep these Dodger fans in their place. ;) (Just kidding - I have no beef with the Dodgers, all the 'rivalry' stuff happened before I cared a darn about baseball. Besides, you guys gave us Steve Sax, my favorite Yanks once upon a time.)

356 Yes, but there's a question as to whether Hoffman is the Pads' best reliever, making his non-use not as big a deal. Clearly Rivera is the Yanks' best reliever, so his non-use is a huge deal.

2007-10-01 20:04:35
364.   Raf
353 Ah, I wasn't clear. What I meant to say that the SciFi channel may be an option to DVR "Chuck." Mr. Stephen would have to check his listings to see when they'd be broadcasting it.
2007-10-01 20:04:55
365.   Bluebleeder87
Gonzalez is batting 3rd when the Pads come up to bat, that can't be good.
2007-10-01 20:06:21
366.   Shaun P
362 Thank you for correcting me; didn't have time to look it up. I really wondered if any of the announcers would bother to know that fact, or if they all just ignore the extreme park factors at Petco and say that the Pads' offense is bad. Which it is not, as you point out.

OK, I find out who's in for the Rockies, then I go to bed.

2007-10-01 20:06:41
367.   Eric Stephen
364 I got it, Raf. Thanks for the tip!
2007-10-01 20:07:07
368.   mehmattski ad: picture of Peavy in the windup and Holliday in a swing follow through.

Caption: who wants it?

2007-10-01 20:07:17
369.   El Lay Dave
363 ...Steve Sax, my favorite Yanks once upon a time...

Did you sit behind first and get a lot of souvenirs?

2007-10-01 20:07:17
370.   Hallux Valgus
364 oh, jeez. duh. I'm gonna check that out, too...It's on USA on Saturday at 11 AM.

I'd still rather have a magic TiVo

2007-10-01 20:07:24
371.   Philip Michaels
338 I have just told my TiFaux to cancel tonight's episode of Chuck and record the repeat airing Sunday on Bravo, if that helps you any.
2007-10-01 20:07:44
372.   Bluebleeder87
woah! Herges for another inning? I think Hurdle is pressing his luck.
2007-10-01 20:08:09
373.   Hallux Valgus
man, Chuck is all over the place. Thank God for gigantic media conglomerates.
2007-10-01 20:08:22
374.   Eric Stephen
366 It would be nice if park factors were mentioned or factored in more often in broadcasts, other than just looking at the total HR or average, etc at a certain park without relating it to the road games to get an accurate feel.
2007-10-01 20:08:34
375.   Eric Stephen
Atkins would have made that play.
2007-10-01 20:09:35
376.   Eric Stephen
I'll double-chuck for Universal HD as well.
2007-10-01 20:09:48
377.   Hallux Valgus
maybe, but Atkins has worked his way up to "adequate" this year. He's not exactly a defensive stopper.Still- that was a bad play.
2007-10-01 20:10:32
378.   El Lay Dave
Def. replacement with a throwing error. Irony.
2007-10-01 20:10:52
379.   Eric Stephen
Hoffman is warming up!
2007-10-01 20:11:22
380.   El Lay Dave
I know that's the go-head run on first, but bunting your #3 hitter, know that #4 will then get walked?
2007-10-01 20:12:01
381.   Eric Stephen
377 I was just being flippant and second-guessy. The big blow from that double switch was having Carroll bat in the 9th (as pointed out in 211 ), rather than defense.
2007-10-01 20:12:13
382.   Gen3Blue
D's community seems to rally around Colorado. Wasn't there a book "A New England Dodger in King Barry's Court"?
Or something like that.
2007-10-01 20:12:24
383.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
Does Kahlil Greene have a nickname? I thought I saw somebody in the dugout say "Come on, Bob!"
2007-10-01 20:12:33
384.   Mattpat11
Herges certainly takes his time.
2007-10-01 20:13:09
385.   El Lay Dave
know = knowing
2007-10-01 20:13:12
386.   Hallux Valgus
381 I figured. I just hate Atkins. A lot.
2007-10-01 20:13:29
387.   Daniel Zappala
2007-10-01 20:13:32
388.   Bluebleeder87
Man, Herges is a warrior, nice going.
2007-10-01 20:14:19
389.   trainwreck
Does "The Office" hold some kind of record for earliest to syndication?
2007-10-01 20:14:23
390.   RIYank
Huge DP.
2007-10-01 20:15:01
391.   Eric Stephen
Gotta hand it to Khalil Greene. It's not everyday a hitter can post a 100 OPS+ with a .293 OBP.

*Tonight's 1 for 6 lowered Greene's OBP to .292.

2007-10-01 20:15:19
392.   Jon Weisman
I wish I had been able to be in front of the TV for this game. Been ducking in and out - but it's just fantastic.
2007-10-01 20:15:35
393.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
382 I think it is the "enemy of my enemy" phenomenon.
2007-10-01 20:15:37
394.   El Lay Dave
I think Black made a mistake. Have to let your #3 and #4 get a chance to come through there, not sacrifice one and have the other IBB.
2007-10-01 20:15:51
395.   mehmattski
I'm gonna go ahead and call this the most exciting game of the season.
2007-10-01 20:16:23
396.   Eric Stephen
Brocail or broke knee?
2007-10-01 20:17:07
397.   fanerman
393 I want the Rockies to win, too.
2007-10-01 20:17:52
398.   Hallux Valgus
389 I doubt it. It used to be a hundred episodes as the magic number for syndication, but about 10 years ago, USA bought several failed sitcoms that lasted 1-3 years and played them incessantly at around 2PM Eastern time. I swear, I saw every episode of Boston Common a dozen times because there were only 40 or so episodes.
2007-10-01 20:19:13
399.   mehmattski
Come on, Matt. Hit one out.
2007-10-01 20:19:22
400.   Hallux Valgus
389 further, there are several shows that have "syndication" deals that are basically second run deals. NBC shows on USA and Family Guy on Adult Swim come to mind.
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2007-10-01 20:19:25
401.   trainwreck
I did too and I liked "Working" I must say.

I guess I was referring to shows that were still ongoing, while in syndication.

2007-10-01 20:19:34
402.   fanerman
Holliday did nothing but swing for the fences.
2007-10-01 20:19:40
403.   Gen3Blue
393 Thats it for sure. Thanks.
2007-10-01 20:21:52
404.   Bluebleeder87

wasn't "wkrp in cincinnati" one of those shows, I might be wrong but something tells me I'm not.

2007-10-01 20:21:53
405.   RIYank
Giving up Atkins reallllllly hurts now.
2007-10-01 20:21:53
406.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
The Carroll-for-Atkins substitution continues to haunt Hurdle.
2007-10-01 20:22:15
407.   El Lay Dave
Without Atkins on deck, Brocail pitches Helton "carefully".
2007-10-01 20:22:21
408.   Hallux Valgus
401 Is The Office considered true syndication? It looks like it's only on Tuesdays, not like the 5 days a week that is usually seen as syndication.
2007-10-01 20:22:54
409.   coachjpark
Would irony be a defensive replacement making an error and then getting a game-winning hit?
2007-10-01 20:23:02
410.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
The Carroll-for-Atkins substitution continues to haunt Hurdle.
2007-10-01 20:23:18
411.   Hallux Valgus
404 Maybe the new one, definitely not the original. The original WKRP was barely seen in syndication, because of the music rights.
2007-10-01 20:23:40
412.   El Lay Dave
406 Watch, this punch-and-judy hitter will hit a walkoff double and it will be "in our face".
2007-10-01 20:23:42
413.   trainwreck
Not on USA. They had Wings, Boston Common, Working, Major Dad, Just the Ten of Us, etc.
2007-10-01 20:23:45
414.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
410 on second thought.
2007-10-01 20:23:47
415.   RIYank
Or not!
2007-10-01 20:24:06
416.   Mattpat11
Troy Tulowitzki has a pompadour that would make Vince McMahon proud.
2007-10-01 20:24:32
417.   mehmattski
Carrol hits one through the looking glass!
2007-10-01 20:24:40
418.   Eric Stephen
Would it be too much to ask for Thatcher to enter to "Tom Sawyer" by Rush?
2007-10-01 20:25:12
419.   El Lay Dave
409 Maybe irony enough just to single and get Hawpe up. Does Black have a LOOGY ready?
2007-10-01 20:25:18
420.   Bluebleeder87
I was watching Helton (celebrating) when they tide for the wild card, man, I swear he's got dorky legs of something cause he looked pretty clumsy.
2007-10-01 20:25:44
421.   Eric Stephen
417 I liked my Carroll reference better, but that was funny.
2007-10-01 20:25:44
422.   mehmattski
2007-10-01 20:25:46
423.   A Dodger expatriate in Pennsylvania
Hawpe! Hawpe! Hawpe!
2007-10-01 20:26:05
424.   Nagman
Okay, I'd like to see a base hit to center and have Mike Cameron make a throw with his injured hand.
2007-10-01 20:26:10
425.   Philip Michaels
416 My God! Tha... That's Joe Thatcher's music!
2007-10-01 20:26:13
426.   RIYank
417 Curioser and curioser.
2007-10-01 20:26:17
427.   Hallux Valgus
413 Oh man, during college, I engaged in much silliness to that lineup. I swear, no matter how much I like Monk, Tony Shaloub will always be a cab driver to me.
2007-10-01 20:26:56
428.   Eric Stephen
420 "Dorky Legs" is a better nickname than "Crazy Eyes".
2007-10-01 20:27:14
429.   trainwreck
This is the stuff I watched since Elementary school every summer break.
2007-10-01 20:27:25
430.   coachjpark
Can the Prime Minister keep it scoreless?
2007-10-01 20:27:27
431.   mehmattski
How far has Morgan Ensberg fallen that he's reduced to being involved in a double switch in the 11th inning of a do or die game...
2007-10-01 20:28:42
432.   fanerman
2007-10-01 20:28:50
433.   Hallux Valgus
431 not as far as when he was DFA'd
2007-10-01 20:28:56
434.   coachjpark
431 I would consider it a sweet opportunity to make a name for myself...
2007-10-01 20:29:02
435.   mehmattski
426 Now he just needs to run as fast as he can, just to stay in the same place...
2007-10-01 20:29:19
436.   RIYank
430 How ironic is it that Thatcher is a lefty??
2007-10-01 20:29:46
437.   Hallux Valgus
429 sigh. You are younger than me. And the Broncos are tied with the Raiders. Double sigh
2007-10-01 20:30:52
438.   trainwreck
You are lucky to be tied!
2007-10-01 20:30:58
439.   Eric Stephen
I like how the winner of this game gets the least amount of rest possible, playing the early game Wednesday in Philly.
2007-10-01 20:31:28
440.   Hallux Valgus
says the team featuring the coach who copied us!
2007-10-01 20:32:03
441.   Nagman
Did Clint Hurdle fall asleep?
2007-10-01 20:32:18
442.   El Lay Dave
Barmes, Quintanilla and rookies left on the Rockies bench? Who hits for Herges leading off the next inning?
2007-10-01 20:32:30
443.   Bluebleeder87
in the back of my head I'm thinking I don't like Herges for a 3rd inning, hopefully he proves me wrong yet again.
2007-10-01 20:32:39
444.   Eric Stephen
437 Everyone knows Shanahan didn't get the time out called in time, and that the Raiders are 3-1! :)
2007-10-01 20:32:46
445.   trainwreck
We also adapted your dirty form of cut blocking.

It works real well.

2007-10-01 20:33:51
446.   Eric Stephen
443 Matt Herges translates to Spanish as "Rudy Seanez."
2007-10-01 20:33:55
447.   trainwreck
I think Clint Hurdle placed a bet on the Padres.
2007-10-01 20:33:59
448.   coachjpark
436 How ironic is it that Thatcher's a lefty? It really depends on how his arm angle may have resulted in a situation that produced the batter to not make contact with the ball
2007-10-01 20:34:43
449.   Eric Stephen
Brian Myrow!
2007-10-01 20:34:53
450.   Bluebleeder87

Oh, I see.443

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2007-10-01 20:35:59
451.   Eric Stephen
448 Lefty, as in politics. Margaret Thatcher = conservative, or righty.
2007-10-01 20:36:06
452.   El Lay Dave
446 Herges has an 0.985 WHIP this season! (before tonight)
2007-10-01 20:36:16
453.   coachjpark
This game is a Dodgers Alumni game...
2007-10-01 20:36:22
454.   Hallux Valgus
444 If you like, anyone is free to come to my house and watch the replay. I've still got it. The whistles are clear. We watch it daily, although it's getting dropped for the Colorado/ Oklahoma game, which is way more fun to watch (3 times so far). Ugh, I'm gonna be in the Bay area in 2 weeks, and I'm gonna get it from my friends.

445 You should- it works, and it hurts people. That's what you need when you have no talent on the line.

2007-10-01 20:36:52
455.   RIYank
448 Uh.

One of us doesn't get it. But I have no idea which of us.

2007-10-01 20:37:25
456.   trainwreck
Are you going to be here for Oktoberfest?
2007-10-01 20:38:06
457.   Hallux Valgus
wow. Herges= clutch. who woulda thunk?
2007-10-01 20:38:15
458.   fanerman
Big K.
2007-10-01 20:38:28
459.   mehmattski
Matt Herges for President!
2007-10-01 20:38:29
460.   xaphor
436 At least this Thatcher doesn't labour.
2007-10-01 20:38:43
461.   Hallux Valgus
456 when's that? I'll be there over 10/13 weekend.
2007-10-01 20:39:34
462.   trainwreck
The 11th-14th.
2007-10-01 20:40:12
463.   Hallux Valgus
ooooh, well then yes I will.
2007-10-01 20:40:26
464.   RIYank
460 I'd like to see him pitch to Torii Hunter.
2007-10-01 20:40:29
465.   Eric Stephen
454 I don't really dispute the validity of the timeout. I was just yanking your chain. I was amazed that Janikowski was able to hit the top of the upright from what, 54 yards out? What a leg. Too bad it's not more accurate!
2007-10-01 20:41:07
466.   El Lay Dave
464 Nice.
2007-10-01 20:41:36
467.   Eric Stephen
464 A majority of his WHIP comes from facing Torii.
2007-10-01 20:41:51
468.   Bluebleeder87

if he gets out of this one, He'd make a great governor

2007-10-01 20:41:54
469.   coachjpark
460 Is San Diego better off wearing Brown? Am I perhaps taking my Jim Tracy impersonation a bit too far? Perhaps, but arm angles and Myrow have special significance for this Dodger fan...
2007-10-01 20:42:13
470.   trainwreck
It so happens my group of friends are going there on the 13th.

So if things go right, I should totally forget that day.

2007-10-01 20:43:01
471.   Bluebleeder87
Man, Tuloeski (sp) has a SICK glove.
2007-10-01 20:43:16
472.   Eric Stephen
A Yorvit walk off hit to reward Herges's hurculean effort?
2007-10-01 20:43:31
473.   mehmattski
471 Two-low-wit-ski
2007-10-01 20:43:37
474.   Mattpat11
Helton pulls his foot off the bag way to quickly. That's going to bite him in the ass.
2007-10-01 20:43:47
475.   RIYank
467 (WHIP = WHIG?)

Very impressive performance from Herges.

2007-10-01 20:44:22
476.   El Lay Dave
469 Ohhhhhh. Excellent!
2007-10-01 20:44:45
477.   Bluebleeder87
the Rockies infield looks very respectable I don't know how there outfield looked all year but I'm really digging there infield.
2007-10-01 20:44:53
478.   Eric Stephen
471 I nominate "Tuloeski" as the official spelling of the Colorado SS.

It has a Paul Mokeski feel to it.

2007-10-01 20:45:09
479.   neal
Tied, eh? Did I miss anything?
2007-10-01 20:45:20
480.   Hallux Valgus
470 I've got to go to a wedding reception that evening, but I'd love to hang out, at least for lunch. Let's get us, Icaros, Underdog, and whoever else. Especially Underdog- because he's a Bronco fan. If not- whatever.
2007-10-01 20:45:59
481.   Eric Stephen
475 I was kind of going for that, but settled on an American political reference instead.
2007-10-01 20:47:44
482.   mehmattski
And the season comes down to a bunch of AAA hitters. That's kind of sad, actually.
2007-10-01 20:48:06
483.   Mattpat11
Christ almighty someone end this. If I have to hear "An Un-Jake Peavy-like outing" one more time I'll scream
2007-10-01 20:49:18
484.   Bluebleeder87
Bob T, is probably taking one of his famous naps right now I bet...
2007-10-01 20:49:58
485.   Bob Timmermann
My brother is on the phone.
2007-10-01 20:50:16
486.   Eric Stephen
482 Who will be playing the role of Chris Burke tonight?
2007-10-01 20:50:23
487.   RIYank
"Un-Jake-Peavy-like" is a word you don't get to use in a lot of other contexts, so you really do want to get as much mileage out of it as possible here.
2007-10-01 20:50:41
488.   Mattpat11
I'm going to die watching this game.
2007-10-01 20:50:47
489.   coachjpark
I think I'm a Phillies fan right now about this game....
2007-10-01 20:50:53
490.   Bob Timmermann
Longest tiebreaker game ever in terms of innings now.
2007-10-01 20:51:02
491.   RIYank

So, if this one ends in a tie, do they play another?

2007-10-01 20:51:07
492.   trainwreck
As long as I am not drinking all day.
2007-10-01 20:51:46
493.   Bluebleeder87

Hhahah, uh man... ah.

2007-10-01 20:51:50
494.   El Lay Dave
485 That is neither a confirm nor a deny. Although your typing likely is.
2007-10-01 20:53:10
495.   El Lay Dave
The relief pitching on both sides has been pretty damn good tonight.
2007-10-01 20:53:13
496.   fanerman
490 Not in terms of time... yet?
2007-10-01 20:53:21
497.   Bluebleeder87
there's something very uneasy about a 4.94 ERA.
2007-10-01 20:53:45
498.   Mattpat11
2007-10-01 20:55:22
499.   fanerman
Get him out right now!
2007-10-01 20:55:26
500.   trainwreck
Pull him mid batter.
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2007-10-01 20:55:36
501.   Eric Stephen
Nothing like a reliever coming in and throwing balls.
2007-10-01 20:55:44
502.   Bluebleeder87
Hurdle doesn't bounce a baseball when he's nervous these days, I wonder if he's seeing a shrink for that.
2007-10-01 20:56:05
503.   Eric Stephen
Scott Hairston strikes again.
2007-10-01 20:56:11
504.   fanerman
499 And of course the next pitch is a home run.
2007-10-01 20:56:13
505.   Raf
wow... Julio still sucks, I see
2007-10-01 20:56:25
506.   Daniel Zappala
This is going to really suck if the Rockies don't make it after the run they made at the end of the season.
2007-10-01 20:56:28
507.   Mattpat11
Oh boy.
2007-10-01 20:56:33
508.   Gen3Blue
I hope I can stay up for this one.

But I feel a Bellachik--Purcells thing coming on this winter Oh dear 8-6.

2007-10-01 20:56:52
509.   Bluebleeder87
Torrealbe pretty much went out there & told him to throw a meet ball.
2007-10-01 20:56:52
510.   El Lay Dave
497 His Colorado numbers are ok, though; you get to throw out the terrible numbers he put up in Florida.

Still, Giles, Hairston, PH, Gonzalez - I'm looking for a lefty (Morales?, Francis?) here.

2007-10-01 20:57:40
511.   Mattpat11
One hope for Rockies fans. Hoffman in an important game is...

What's the opposite of money?

2007-10-01 20:57:55
512.   El Lay Dave
Uh, well, while I was typing....
2007-10-01 20:58:16
513.   Nagman
Lucky for Julio, his bags are packed and he has a plane ticket for Philadelphia. Maybe Clint should join him.
2007-10-01 20:58:27
514.   KG16
Just in time to see the home run, looks like I've missed a pretty good game.

506 - I'm thinking the best finish would be Hoffman blowing a save.

2007-10-01 20:58:31
515.   El Lay Dave
Chase Heady hitting.....
2007-10-01 20:58:36
516.   3rd gen yankee fan
Sure NOW he throws strikes.
2007-10-01 20:58:36
517.   fanerman
Why is Jorge Julio still in the game?
2007-10-01 20:58:37
518.   Bluebleeder87
that shot of the Rockies fan said it all.
2007-10-01 20:59:10
519.   Summer Saint
511 Hoffman in an important game is a primitive barter system.
2007-10-01 20:59:13
520.   El Lay Dave
514 ... with Helton hitting it out.
2007-10-01 20:59:15
521.   Mattpat11
517 This game or the game of baseball?
2007-10-01 20:59:32
522.   Eric Stephen
Hairston with the Padres: .287/.337/.644, 8 HR in 95 PA.
2007-10-01 21:00:07
523.   El Lay Dave
and Chase Hedy singles.
2007-10-01 21:00:08
524.   Nagman
I remember opening day a few years ago, Clint Barmes hit a walk off against Hoffman at Coors.
2007-10-01 21:00:12
525.   Bluebleeder87
who else could they have used? seriously, you really can't blame Hurdle on this one right?
2007-10-01 21:00:39
526.   Bluebleeder87
we is the chick on the wheel chair when you need her...
2007-10-01 21:00:54
527.   Mattpat11
Ramon Ortiz is still in baseball?
2007-10-01 21:02:03
528.   El Lay Dave
Why is bringing in Ramon Ortiz to face Adrian Gonzalez a good idea?
2007-10-01 21:02:30
529.   fanerman
521 I like the unintentional ambiguity of the question. Thanks for pointing that out.
2007-10-01 21:03:24
530.   Eric Stephen
Ortiz looks like a midget out there. I don't remember him being that small.
2007-10-01 21:03:32
531.   Bluebleeder87

well, he struck him out.

2007-10-01 21:03:40
532.   El Lay Dave
525 Is Morales unavailable?
2007-10-01 21:04:44
533.   Bluebleeder87

Seriously [chuckling as I type that]

2007-10-01 21:05:27
534.   Daniel Zappala
Amazingly, they could have brought in Ortiz to start with and still had a tie game?
2007-10-01 21:05:55
535.   El Lay Dave
Opponents hitting over .300 against Ortiz this year.
2007-10-01 21:06:00
536.   Gen3Blue
530 Ortiz has been pounded to his present size.
2007-10-01 21:06:26
537.   Eric Stephen
Will Ian Stewart pinch hit for Jamey Carroll? Will it get that far (due up 5th)?
2007-10-01 21:07:06
538.   Bluebleeder87
Looking at Hariston's tater on the replay, the pitch looked laser straight.
2007-10-01 21:07:36
539.   Gen3Blue
Hoffman-LaRoche? I think I had stock once.
2007-10-01 21:08:41
540.   coachjpark
532 Silly question. Hurdle's saving Morales for the playoffs!
2007-10-01 21:09:31
541.   Mattpat11
Jake Peavy Like.
2007-10-01 21:09:49
542.   neal
well here goes nothing
2007-10-01 21:09:50
543.   fanerman
483 They said it again! Almost.
2007-10-01 21:10:22
544.   Daniel Zappala
A couple innings ago I was going to mention that the best thing for the Rockies might be to give up some runs and have Hoffman come in. Should have mentioned that before someone else.
2007-10-01 21:10:28
545.   Bluebleeder87
coachjpark are you the fan that threw out a pitch from Dodger Stadium, maybe I'm confusing you.
2007-10-01 21:11:14
546.   El Lay Dave
Well that's a good start for the Rocks.
2007-10-01 21:13:08
547.   Bluebleeder87
Hoffman can't throw strikes, he's just not the same Hoffman anymore I guess.
2007-10-01 21:13:27
548.   neal
FWIW: Barrett is catching. The Cubs pitchers HATED pitching to him. Just a thought...
2007-10-01 21:13:41
549.   Bluebleeder87
woah, look at the fighting Rox!
2007-10-01 21:14:00
550.   fanerman
Come on Matt!!!
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2007-10-01 21:14:00
551.   coachjpark
So who will be the Hero?
2007-10-01 21:14:11
552.   3rd gen yankee fan
2007-10-01 21:14:12
553.   El Lay Dave
well, well, well.
2007-10-01 21:14:19
554.   dianagramr
Hoffman is looking Mariano Rivera-like
2007-10-01 21:14:25
555.   fanerman
2007-10-01 21:14:29
556.   Raf
wow tie game!
2007-10-01 21:14:30
557.   KG16
2007-10-01 21:14:36
558.   Mattpat11
547 This is big game Hoffman. This is 1998 World Series Hoffman. This is Allstar Game Hoffman.
2007-10-01 21:14:37
559.   Daniel Zappala
548 I think this has nothing to do with Barrett and everything to do with Hoffman.
2007-10-01 21:14:51
560.   trainwreck
What a game!
2007-10-01 21:14:55
561.   Mattpat11
554 That was uncalled for.
2007-10-01 21:14:57
562.   Bluebleeder87
I'm really glad Holliday hit that triple, I really felt bad for him when he made that error.
2007-10-01 21:14:58
563.   Bob Timmermann
Trevor meet Tom.
Tom meet Trevor.
2007-10-01 21:15:03
564.   coachjpark
Padres needed Jason Repko in right field...
2007-10-01 21:15:11
565.   El Lay Dave
wow wow wow wow!
2007-10-01 21:15:12
566.   3rd gen yankee fan
2007-10-01 21:15:19
567.   Raf
runner on 3rd, no one out...
2007-10-01 21:15:25
568.   Mattpat11
Helton would have been poetic justice.
2007-10-01 21:15:31
569.   Daniel Zappala
Good thing this storm in SL hasn't hit Denver yet. Very windy and rainy.
2007-10-01 21:16:05
570.   dianagramr

ok ok .... you are right

2007-10-01 21:16:16
571.   Mattpat11
Told you guys about Hoffman.
2007-10-01 21:16:24
572.   KG16
three outs to simply put the ball in play


2007-10-01 21:16:42
573.   Kevin Lewis
this is incredible. Congrats Rockies fans (dodger fan)
2007-10-01 21:16:50
574.   El Lay Dave
IBB Helton, pitch to Carroll hoping for a cheap out, IBB Hawpe to get to PH with one out?
2007-10-01 21:16:53
575.   coachjpark
5 man infield?
2007-10-01 21:16:59
576.   dianagramr
let's have a squeeze bunt to win it!
2007-10-01 21:16:59
577.   Johnny Nucleo
This will go down as a classic.
2007-10-01 21:17:05
578.   Bluebleeder87
the announcers are saying Holliday got the batting average title & the RBI title as well, man, that's as close as you can get to the triple crown.
2007-10-01 21:17:14
579.   mehmattski
Now Helton just needs to hit 15 homers to win the triple crown.
2007-10-01 21:17:20
580.   tommyl
561 Way to defend our guy Matt :)!

Just flipped to it, wow, one hell of a game!

2007-10-01 21:17:26
581.   3rd gen yankee fan
Bud looks pissed.
2007-10-01 21:17:36
582.   mehmattski
579 And by Helton I mean Holliday. It's late.
2007-10-01 21:17:42
583.   fanerman
2007-10-01 21:17:48
584.   Mattpat11
Congratulations Colorado Rockies.
2007-10-01 21:17:50
585.   Bluebleeder87
Poetic just for Holliday yes yes yes!!!
2007-10-01 21:17:58
586.   Mattpat11
Uh Oh.
2007-10-01 21:18:01
587.   Kevin Lewis
2007-10-01 21:18:08
588.   fanerman
Oh no! Matt!
2007-10-01 21:18:08
589.   trainwreck
Well that was insane.
2007-10-01 21:18:09
590.   Raf
wow, for a minute there, I thought Holliday was out
2007-10-01 21:18:21
591.   dianagramr
its sid bream all over again ....
2007-10-01 21:18:24
592.   xaphor
This is crazy end to a like wise game.
2007-10-01 21:18:29
593.   Bluebleeder87
I think Holliday is hurt...
2007-10-01 21:18:33
594.   3rd gen yankee fan
I love baseball.
2007-10-01 21:18:34
595.   Saburo
Holy crapolee!
2007-10-01 21:18:34
596.   Bob Timmermann
"Hoffman faced 4 batters in 13th."
2007-10-01 21:18:40
597.   fanerman
590 I thought saw until I saw the ball come out.
2007-10-01 21:18:41
598.   Gen3Blue
Ain't that a gas! I was almost asleep. hope X-mas is OK.
2007-10-01 21:18:49
599.   das411
WOW what an ending!!! Gonna be a TERRIFIC series coming up in Phila!
2007-10-01 21:18:52
600.   Kevin Lewis
did he touch home?
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2007-10-01 21:19:00
601.   Nagman
Umpire took his time to make the safe call. I thought he missed the plate.
2007-10-01 21:19:03
602.   fanerman
597 so*
2007-10-01 21:19:31
603.   Bob Timmermann
Sorry, that should be "winning run scored with one out."
2007-10-01 21:19:34
604.   Icaros
That was an amazing game. What a finish. Is Holliday dead? I think he just sealed up MVP.
2007-10-01 21:19:41
605.   fanerman
600 Replay doesn't look like it!
2007-10-01 21:19:48
606.   Kevin Lewis
he missed it
2007-10-01 21:20:05
607.   Bluebleeder87
looking at the replay, Holliday needs to take some sliding courses...
2007-10-01 21:20:14
608.   Mattpat11
And this is why I'll say it I turn blue. I don't care how many saves he compiles. Trevor Hoffman, in a big game situation, is horrid. He's not a Hall of Famer.
2007-10-01 21:20:15
609.   coachjpark
NO TAG!!!!!!!
2007-10-01 21:20:19
610.   KG16
for the record, there is no play that annoys me more than the head first slide into home plate.
2007-10-01 21:20:21
611.   trainwreck
Let the controversy begin.
2007-10-01 21:20:24
612.   mehmattski
Um, he never touched home. Well, that makes up for the Atkins not-homer.
2007-10-01 21:20:34
613.   Kevin Lewis
we need to see the other angle
2007-10-01 21:20:45
614.   3rd gen yankee fan
2007-10-01 21:20:55
615.   Nagman
Craig Sager with his NBA wardrobe.
2007-10-01 21:20:55
616.   Gen3Blue
The enemy of your enemy!!
Oh Yeah!

Glad we didn't go through this call, however.

2007-10-01 21:20:58
617.   dianagramr
gack ...... what a loud suit!
2007-10-01 21:21:00
618.   Icaros
Oops...bad call.
2007-10-01 21:21:10
619.   capdodger
Out on the tag behind the plate.

Bad call, but a great game.

2007-10-01 21:21:13
620.   Daniel Zappala
I think he did touch home -- it was hard to see on the camera, but his hand was under the foot of the catcher and I believe on the plate.
2007-10-01 21:21:22
621.   fanerman
617 That's his style.
2007-10-01 21:21:30
622.   El Lay Dave
Shades of Bernie Carbo and Elrod Hendricks.
2007-10-01 21:21:43
623.   thelarmis
nope, he never touched home. it wasn't even close. what a terrible call. i have nothing vested in either team - playoffs should just NOT be determined in such an egregious fashion. boo on the blue...
2007-10-01 21:22:38
624.   trainwreck
I think Troy should have been "Player of the Game."
2007-10-01 21:22:48
625.   Kevin Lewis

I think you may be right about the hand We need to see the other angle

2007-10-01 21:23:01
626.   Mattpat11
623 Its evened out by the botched HR call.
2007-10-01 21:23:14
627.   KG16
so, two of the newest franchises play two of the oldest franchises in the National League playoffs. Phillies (1883) vs Rockies (1993) and Cubs (1871) vs D'Backs (1998).
2007-10-01 21:23:25
628.   coachjpark
609 Meant no tag of home plate....
2007-10-01 21:24:02
629.   trainwreck
Come on Rockies vs DBacks NLCS.
2007-10-01 21:24:18
630.   dianagramr
will jorge julio be on the division series roster?
2007-10-01 21:24:23
631.   Mattpat11
Jorge Julio is wandering around not celebrating.
2007-10-01 21:24:34
632.   Bluebleeder87
how cute, there doing a group hug or dance of some kind.
2007-10-01 21:25:03
633.   Johnny Nucleo
And it's already up on the Griddle!
2007-10-01 21:25:16
634.   confucius
That was the best game I have seen in a while.
2007-10-01 21:25:19
635.   thelarmis
626 ah, thanks matt! i didn't get to turn the game on until extra innings, so i didn't see the earlier mis-call.
2007-10-01 21:25:22
636.   Bluebleeder87

that's the way I see it...

2007-10-01 21:25:26
637.   Raf
608 Not an assessment I'd make after a handful of "big game" innings.
2007-10-01 21:25:35
638.   Sam DC
Very excited for the last fish . . .
2007-10-01 21:25:38
639.   El Lay Dave
Matt Holliday is 6'4" 235; shouldn't he be running over catchers, not head-first sliding?
2007-10-01 21:26:14
640.   Daniel Zappala
My wife made a great point -- his hand was underneath the catcher's foot, and you can see the catcher's foot slide across the plate while his hand is underneath it.

Ultimately, there is no clear evidence to overturn the play, which would be the rule if there was instant replay. The ump had the best view and was able to see if his hand went across the plate. His hesitation was to see if the catcher had dropped the ball.

Way to go Rockies!

2007-10-01 21:26:26
641.   Bluebleeder87
I'm kind of jealous, the Dodgers didn't do it this year looking at all the festivities from the Rox.
2007-10-01 21:26:26
642.   BklynBmr
Ump blew it. Looked like he had the angle, too. Only a season in the balance on that call. That's tough...
2007-10-01 21:27:27
643.   Daniel Zappala
[I love TIVO, and I love my wife.]
2007-10-01 21:28:14
644.   WillieD
Nice job Rockies! Great seeing the Padres denied. :-) Looked to me like he got his hand in under the foot.... Loved how ex-Dodger secret agents Milton Bradley, then Brady Clark, helped torpedo the Padres season.
2007-10-01 21:28:20
645.   trainwreck
So, you love TIVO more.
2007-10-01 21:28:33
646.   dianagramr

I agree with your wife ..... and I think that's the ONLY way he would have been called safe.

2007-10-01 21:28:39
647.   Dark Horse
Wow. A knife to the heart of the Padre faithful. I couldn't have asked for better.

Congratulations, Rox.

2007-10-01 21:29:00
648.   Kevin Lewis

Yea, none of the angles show us the hand coming by the plate, so it is hard to see. It does look like the Ump hesitated to see where the ball was, and once he saw it being picked up, he made the most lazy safe call to end a game I have ever seen

2007-10-01 21:29:32
649.   Mattpat11
637 I think, especially with the modern save rule, a reliever has to go the extra mile to be considered among the elite of baseball.
2007-10-01 21:29:35
650.   Bluebleeder87
so the actual playoffs start tomorrow? that doesn't sound good for the Rockies.
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2007-10-01 21:30:05
651.   Bob Timmermann
The playoffs start Wednesday. It's tomorrow for some people.
2007-10-01 21:30:23
652.   El Lay Dave
Rocks win, but I am the bridesmaid for the Griddle contest.
2007-10-01 21:30:55
653.   StolenMonkey86
anyone know if Holliday is ok?
2007-10-01 21:31:01
654.   Nagman
So what is the ground rule at Coors? If it hits the yellow it's in play?
2007-10-01 21:31:11
655.   Gen3Blue
In General--if the catcher doesn't catch or control the throw, it is almost like the phantom DP. FWIW
2007-10-01 21:31:15
656.   Bluebleeder87

I think if Holliday does that, somebodies head would of rolled...

2007-10-01 21:31:33
657.   Raf
648 Well, he's consistent; he's been making lazy calls all evening.
2007-10-01 21:32:35
658.   mehmattski
Man, tomorrow... er... today... er... Tuesday... is gonna be the longest day of the year. Where has the baseball gone?
2007-10-01 21:32:42
659.   Mattpat11
Holliday is fine.
2007-10-01 21:33:07
660.   Mattpat11
Thats one hell of a jacket
2007-10-01 21:33:10
661.   coachjpark
648 He made a split-second decision to give the benefit of the doubt to the Rockies, realizing that there would be an angry mob of 50,000 + who would have been slightly miffed had he not called what he did.....
2007-10-01 21:33:21
662.   Bluebleeder87
Holliday has a cherry on his chin...
2007-10-01 21:33:27
663.   fanerman
653 The announcers said he hit his mouth on the ground. I was afraid he injured his hand.
2007-10-01 21:33:30
664.   El Lay Dave
Calls should be made with strength and authority. A lazy call is like a dead fish handshake. Yecch.
2007-10-01 21:33:31
665.   El Lay Dave
Calls should be made with strength and authority. A lazy call is like a dead fish handshake. Yecch.
2007-10-01 21:33:49
666.   Kevin Lewis
It does look like he might have caught part of the plate, but the two angles they keep showing do not provide any new insight.
2007-10-01 21:34:53
667.   fanerman
666 So, therefore, the call has to stand, according to NFL rules.
2007-10-01 21:35:13
668.   fanerman
Pedro Gomez must be so happy because he's not covering Barry right now.
2007-10-01 21:37:17
669.   El Lay Dave
NL playoffs: Phillies, Rockies, D-Backs, Cubs - three good storylines and a curse. That's not too bad.
2007-10-01 21:39:16
670.   Raf
649 Looking at his numbers, he's only had a couple of bad postseasons; the 96 NLDS and the 98 WS. He's had 13 innings in the postseason. He's had 5 1/3 innings in the ASG.

I don't think that's enough to make an assessment on "the extra mile."

2007-10-01 21:40:10
671.   dzzrtRatt
One of the angles seemed to indicate Holliday's hand hit Barrett's shoe, shoved it back and in doing that he was able to brush the plate with his hand. Not all of that's clear, but the fact that Barrett's foot moved with Holliday's hand in front of it was clear.

Combined with Barrett's failure to ever tag Holliday, I think the call was correct, if poorly expressed.

2007-10-01 21:40:46
672.   Shaun P
Boy did Hurdle and Julio catch a break! I can't believe the Rockies pulled it off.
2007-10-01 21:41:05
673.   Humma Kavula
669 And last year, it was Padres, Dodgers, Cardinals, Mets. A four-team turnover. I root for the Dodgers, but since they couldn't make it, this is good stuff.
2007-10-01 21:41:42
674.   rabid stan
661 I think it was a good call. Holliday's left hand slid under Barret's foot. His momentum pushed Barret's foot, with his hand underneath, across the corner of the plate as Barret lost the ball.

Games like this are why I love baseball.

Congrats Rocks.

2007-10-01 21:45:23
675.   neal
Congrats, especially to Mark, for hosting this much-bypassed corner of the web. Hope you are celebrating in the streets of Denver right now.
2007-10-01 21:46:03
676.   dzzrtRatt
Really really great game. I knew the Padres were prematurely happy. That top four of the Colorado lineup (five when Atkins is part of it) is enviable. Rox v. Phils should be a blast for those who like to see balls flying.
2007-10-01 21:46:20
677.   fanerman
Happy Rocktoberfest.
2007-10-01 21:47:54
678.   Mattpat11
670 He also singleghandedly cost his team the playoffs this year.

But fine. I'll disregard his big game performances. He hasn't done anything good, bad or indifferent in big games.

I still leave him off my figurative ballot. He's there with the Lee Smiths and John Francos and Billy Wagners of the world. He's a modern relief pitcher who got a lot of saves in an era when a lot of people got a lot of saves. Thats not enough for me to put a non starter in the Hall of Fame.

2007-10-01 21:48:47
679.   blue22
677 - Yeah not a bad game to ring in October with.

Weird that it was actually a regular season game. Holliday and Tulowitzki may very well have locked up MVP and ROY with this game tonight.

2007-10-01 21:49:31
680.   rabid stan
674 A lot of people beat me to that.
2007-10-01 21:51:29
681.   Daniel Zappala
Man, the Rockies are making it hard for me -- they're the closest team to me geographically, they are underdogs, and they have an exciting team. I'm happy to root for them in the NL since the Dodgers are out of it.
2007-10-01 21:52:30
682.   Humma Kavula
678 Not that I disagree that the jury has gotta be out on Hoffman in big games...

...but on September 18, 2006, the Dodgers and Padres played a big game, and any Dodger fan will be happy to tell you what happened.

2007-10-01 22:00:07
683.   TellMeTheScoreRickMonday
Congrats Mark, from all your friends at Big win tonight, controversy or no controversy--I'll be pulling for the Rockies vs. the Phils!
2007-10-01 22:03:25
684.   s choir
682 Bringing up the 4+1 game (or the "Marlon Anderson Game" to some) makes me wonder how this game will be referred to in the annals of baseball history.

I vote for the "Matt Holiday Face Plant Game."

2007-10-01 22:04:00
685.   coachjpark
Anyone know of a site with an extreme closeup or freeze frame of the Holliday slide?
2007-10-01 22:11:54
686.   Humma Kavula
684 Perhaps just the "Matt Holliday Game." After all, if he makes the routine play in the 8th, they don't go to extras. The triple and the face plant were his atonement.
2007-10-01 22:15:46
687.   El Lay Dave
684 Holliday Inn (at the plate). Maybe a White Christmas will come early to Denver.
2007-10-01 22:19:11
688.   Daniel Zappala
We've already had snow in Salt Lake, in fact it snowed during the Utah game Saturday, with more expected Friday, so I'm guessing Denver will do fine with the white stuff too.
2007-10-01 22:19:26
689.   Chris Cobb
Awesome. Simply awesome
2007-10-01 22:37:26
690.   underdog
That was an awesome game. I watched the last parts of it on tape delay just a little while ago after leaving mid-way. Watching the last play over and over again like conspiracy theorists watch the Zapruder film, I can honestly say he appears to never have touched the plate. BUT I will say, because it was so bang-bang and the catcher dropped the ball, I can understand why the ump may have had a tough time calling that one. That and, as others have said here, the fact that Atkins ball earlier should have been ruled a home run makes it a karmically correct result in my opinion, at any rate.

Now I wonder if the Rockies will have anything left in the tank for the Phillies series, especially with pitching, but that should be a great one.

2007-10-01 22:37:27
691.   scareduck

I still need to watch the replays.

2007-10-01 22:40:39
692.   trainwreck
Underdog owns the record for Zapruder film references.
2007-10-01 23:03:06
693.   Linkmeister
692 So is that left field wall with the yellow line like the grassy knoll?

What a game.

2007-10-01 23:11:10
694.   underdog
692 I'm going for three before the week's out. If one of those references falls on Inside the Dodgers and no one's there to hear it, does it make a sound?

Has anyone found a still freeze frame of the final tag yet for our forensics team?

2007-10-02 01:04:42
695.   Paul Scott
Dodger fan here wishing you all luck in the playoffs. Congrats. That was an amazing season ending run and a great game to finish it off. Here's wishing 3 quick wins against Philadelphia to give your team a needed rest.
2007-10-02 01:05:01
696.   BruceR
684 & 686 Well, let's see. Denver already has The Drive and The Fumble ... so how about The Slide?

Hmmm ... and in that context, a Rox-Indians WS would be interesting. Calling John Elway ...

2007-10-02 07:00:18
697.   capdodger
696 Don't you think calling that a "slide" is a bit generous?
2007-10-02 07:34:09
698.   luck
Mark: Congratulations from Will in Chicago. Un-bee-lievable win for you guys (700+ posts by the end of the day, too).

He looked just like a Hoffman. Yes he did. He faked just like a Hoffman. Yes he did. But he ached un-like a Hoffman. And he broke just like a little girl.

2007-10-02 09:33:32
699.   Humma Kavula
687 Congratulations on predicting the L.A. Times headline.
2007-10-02 11:56:27
700.   Brendan
Can't let a thread like this end on 699. 700!! Nice job Rox
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2007-10-02 19:41:07
701.   BruceR
697 No, I don't think calling it a "slide" is a bit generous. I think it is way over-generous. But The Drive and The Fumble have such a classy ring to them that to call last night's play The Belly Flop, The Facial, or the like just doesn't work. Maybe The Prestige for at least creating the illusion (w/o judging whether he did or did not) that his pinkie touched the plate.

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