Baseball Toaster Bad Altitude
World Series Game 2
2007-10-25 16:13
by Mark T.R. Donohue

OK, guys, let's try this again, and let's get it right this time.

Last night's game was one the Red Sox needed more than Colorado, but it still hurt to lose it in that fashion. Jeff Francis tends to have one awful start about once every five weeks where he can't spot his fastball; there it was. The first game of the World Series wasn't the best time for it. Still, momentum in the World Series belongs to whomever won the last game; tonight's pitching matchup is far more favorable for the Rockies.

Something to watch out for: double plays. When the Rockies are turning them, they're winning. When they aren't (like when everything the starter throws is up in the zone and getting pasted to the outfield), they're not.

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2007-10-25 16:38:10
1.   Xeifrank
Game #2 Win Probabilities:

Simulator: Rockies 51.85%
Vegas: Red Sox 65.16%
Log5: Red Sox 64.67%

One of these things is not like the other...

vr, Xei

2007-10-25 16:55:17
2.   Bob Timmermann
The Rockies are using the same lineup as last night and the Red Sox have the same nine except that Ellsbury and Lugo are switched. Ellsbury is #8 and Lugo is the "second leadoff man."
2007-10-25 16:59:44
3.   Bob Timmermann
No rain forecast tonight in Boston. And Denver should be dry for the weekend.
2007-10-25 17:03:51
4.   Bluebleeder87
I'm hoping for a STAR to be born today in Ubaldo.
2007-10-25 17:08:55
5.   Bluebleeder87
Traditionally, flame throwers do well in the post season if they throw strikes.
2007-10-25 17:12:08
6.   RIYank
I love this headline at the Rockies' page:

Opening rout may not carry to Game 2

Yeah, that's my understanding of the rules, too.

2007-10-25 17:12:40
7.   spudrph
Ah, Byrnesie-that penetrating analysis we look to you for. The DBacks were outscored, but you won 90 games because you were "resilient".

The blurb about the Taco Bell giveaway available at participating locations reminds me of the Mitch Hedberg joke, "If I owned a McDonalds, I wouldn't participate in SHIT."

2007-10-25 17:15:50
8.   Bluebleeder87
I'm ready to feel at ease & tranculaity with the voice of James Taylor, It's like he's giving you a voice massage.
2007-10-25 17:16:13
9.   Bob Timmermann
A friend of mine who works for says that nearly every team puts up in game headlines when the team is behind along the lines of "Gashouse Gorillas on Comeback Trail."

I saw one of these when a team was down by over 15.

2007-10-25 17:17:37
10.   spudrph
Remember the Simpsons where NASA makes him change the lyric to, "flying machines landing safely on the ground."
2007-10-25 17:18:32
11.   spudrph
9 Sometimes it's just a looooooooooong trail.
2007-10-25 17:23:06
12.   spudrph
"This is the new way of finding great talent."

Yeah, because the way that produced Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, and Metallica really sucked.

2007-10-25 17:24:58
13.   RIYank
7 Hey, I've been thinking. How many of the D-Backs wins above Pythagorean estimate might be attributed to Bob Melvin (full name: "Bob Melvin")? It seems to make sense to me that you can attribute some wins above or below the Pyth record to a manager. I have no idea how many, though.
2007-10-25 17:25:48
14.   RIYank
13 Oh, obviously most of the wins above can be attributed to resiliency. Goes without saying. Also grit.
2007-10-25 17:26:25
15.   spudrph
OK, Jamey Carroll? I mean, we've heard of him, but WTF?
2007-10-25 17:27:16
16.   Mark T.R. Donohue
I really enjoyed how Jamey Carroll described himself as a "defensive closer" instead of "utility guy."
2007-10-25 17:29:45
17.   spudrph
13 Don't forget spunk, vim, and vigor.

I think wins above or below Pythag are partially luck, and partially managerial acumen/hustle/poise or other bullshit terms.

Remember the manager who supposedly said, "Hold 'em there, I'll think of something!"

2007-10-25 17:31:05
18.   spudrph
16 I like Jamey Carroll, don't get me wrong, but it seems like somebody a little more well known might have been more well suited.
2007-10-25 17:31:08
19.   Humma Kavula
9 Didn't you point out the "Orioles begin their comeback" when they were down 30-3 against Texas?
2007-10-25 17:32:59
20.   Hallux Valgus
that's Willy's best offense!
2007-10-25 17:33:12
21.   Bob Timmermann
Yeah, that was the one.
2007-10-25 17:35:46
22.   Bluebleeder87
man, Matsui's at bats have looked horrible!
2007-10-25 17:35:52
23.   spudrph
One word for a ball in on the handle on a night like this: Ow.
2007-10-25 17:36:53
24.   spudrph
That quickened the blood a wee bit.
2007-10-25 17:37:16
25.   spudrph
Boy, Al Oliver sure belongs on that list.
2007-10-25 17:38:56
26.   Hallux Valgus
2007-10-25 17:39:35
27.   Mark T.R. Donohue
That really was good baserunning by Willy. Good job, kid! For once!
2007-10-25 17:39:38
28.   spudrph
That was keystone coppish.
2007-10-25 17:39:57
29.   Humma Kavula
21 I think their headline should have been "Oy, vey ist mir: Orioles down 30-3."
2007-10-25 17:40:31
30.   Marty
Bob, I hear there's some photo exhibit by Julius Shulman over at your library. Is it worth it to go over there on a lunch hour and check it out?
2007-10-25 17:41:39
31.   Hallux Valgus
and Colorado leads in a World Series game.
2007-10-25 17:41:42
32.   spudrph
The more I think about it, the more I love that list:

Former Red Sox great
Former manager of Red Sox' biggest rival
Old Guy on the visiting team
Young Guy on the visiting team

....and Al Oliver.

2007-10-25 17:41:49
33.   Bob Timmermann
Despite the photo exhibit being about 10 feet from my office, I haven't gone over to look at it.

But there are a lot of people going to it.

2007-10-25 17:42:15
34.   Bob Timmermann
The Red Sox trail in a World Series game for the first time since 1986!
2007-10-25 17:44:18
35.   Bluebleeder87
I can't help & wonder if Ned Colletti is thinking Schilling in Dodger blue for '08.
2007-10-25 17:45:36
36.   RIYank
Wow, 34 cool fact.
2007-10-25 17:46:05
37.   Bob Timmermann
Dwight Evans, the pride of Chatsworth High! At least before people like Dominguez and Moutsakas came around.
2007-10-25 17:46:20
38.   yankz
Fear not, Bostonians. You will come back to win this game, and the next one. But fate will carry the Rockies to the World Championship nonetheless.
2007-10-25 17:46:38
39.   Bob Timmermann
Well, it was only five games.
2007-10-25 17:46:49
40.   Hallux Valgus
The Rockies should get some of their former greats to do their lineups. Guys like David Neid, John Burke, and Ryan Turner.
2007-10-25 17:46:49
41.   Mark T.R. Donohue
I don't want Eric Byrnes' name to be mentioned in connection with the Rockies ever again, except in the sense of their beating his team's ass.
2007-10-25 17:47:03
42.   spudrph
I have idolized Dwight Evans since I was 7 years old, so that was cool.
2007-10-25 17:48:44
43.   Bob Timmermann
How about Bubba Carpenter or Andy Ashby?
2007-10-25 17:48:45
44.   spudrph
40 Well, Larry Walker, Vinny Castilla, Bret could come up with some cool names if you tried.
2007-10-25 17:49:41
45.   yankz
Ubaldo, the greatest pitcher ever, or just in the top 3?
2007-10-25 17:49:51
46.   RIYank
39 I know. But still, ahead for five straight games is a good record. And in any case, a cool fact doesn't always have to be an impressive accomplishment.
2007-10-25 17:51:04
47.   Bluebleeder87
I don't know if it's irrational for my to think that guys in the 70's had WAY better arms in the outfield than in modern times, I can't back that statement up with anything but gut feeling. Was there a Juan Pierre like arm roaming the outfield in the 70's anybody!?
2007-10-25 17:52:08
48.   RIYank
47 It was Dwight Evans who made you think of that, right?
2007-10-25 17:52:22
49.   Hallux Valgus
44 Mine were the 1st pick in the expansion draft, 1st amateur draft pick, and 1st player signed by the organization, respectively.

And some friends and I did come up with some great names to throw out the first pitch- Roberto Mejia, Alex Cole, Jayhawk Owens...

I was partial to Howard Johnson, Charlie Hayes, Dale Murphy, or Greg Harris.

2007-10-25 17:52:41
50.   Bluebleeder87

Dante Bichette can be added to that list I would imagine.

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2007-10-25 17:58:12
51.   Mark T.R. Donohue
Kevin Ritz.
2007-10-25 17:59:20
52.   Mike Carminati
Bruce "Roughed Up" Ruffin
2007-10-25 18:00:50
53.   Hallux Valgus
see? it's fun.
2007-10-25 18:02:07
54.   Bluebleeder87
Here are some Career highlights from Dwight Evans, courtesy of Wikipedia:

* 3-time All-Star (1978, 1981, 1987)
* 8 Gold Glove Award (1976, 1978-79, 1981-85)
* 4-time Top 10 MVP (1981-82, 1987-88)
* Led league in On-base percentage (1982)
* Led league in OPS (1981 and 1984)
* Led league in Runs and Extra-Base Hits (1984)
* Led league in Total Bases and Home Runs (1981)
* Led league in Walks (1981, 1985 and 1987)
* Led league in Runs Created (1981 and 1984)
* Led league in Times on Base (1981 and 1982)
* 2,606 Games (34th All-Time MLB)
* 8,996 At Bats (61st All-Time MLB)
* 1,470 Runs (65th All-Time MLB)
* 2,446 Hits (95th All-Time MLB)
* 4,230 Total Bases (53rd All-Time MLB)
* 483 Doubles (59th All-Time MLB)
* 385 Home Runs (49th All-Time MLB)
* 1,384 RBI (65th All-Time MLB)
* 1,391 Walks (25th All-Time MLB)
* 1,570 Runs Created (54th All-Time MLB)
* 941 Extra-Base Hits (41st All-Time MLB)
* 3,890 Times on Base (43rd All-Time MLB)
* 77 Sacrifice Flies (87th All-Time MLB)
* Hit for the cycle (1984)
* 4-time hit a home run on opening days in his career, including one on the very first pitch of the season. The one he hit on the very first pitch was also in the first MLB game of the season, thus giving him the record for earliest home run hit in a season, which for obvious reasons can never be broken.
* Has the 10th most career Home Runs hit by an American League right handed batter (385).
* Appeared on the cover of Sports Illustrated in 1988.
* In the 11th inning of Game Six of the 1975 World Series against the Cincinnati Reds, Evans made a spectacular running catch deep in the right field corner near Pesky's Pole, robbing Joe Morgan of a home run, then doubled Ken Griffey, Sr. off first. The Red Sox then won the game in the 12th on Carlton Fisk's famous walkoff home run.

Theres a really good fun fact about his batting stance on Wikipedia.

2007-10-25 18:02:22
55.   spudrph
That is one MEAN hook the kid's got.
2007-10-25 18:02:44
56.   Andrew Shimmin
41- I wasn't going to say anything, but now I feel no compunction in pointing out that the "whomever," in your post up top, ought to be a "whoever."

I will defend Eric Byrnes's honor by any means necessary.

2007-10-25 18:02:47
57.   Hallux Valgus
Atkins has made some incredible strides defensibly.
2007-10-25 18:03:42
58.   Bob Timmermann
"Whomever" is just a made up word to trip up people in school.
2007-10-25 18:04:08
59.   spudrph
54 I used to imitate his batting stance constantly.
2007-10-25 18:05:32
60.   RIYank
58 Oh, man. And you said it during "The Office"!!!

(At least here. Is it on there now?)

2007-10-25 18:06:03
61.   Bob Timmermann
Some Phillies and Cardinals fans would have wished that Drew suffered a broken ankle on that HBP.

JD brings out the best in most baseball fans.

2007-10-25 18:06:22
62.   Andrew Shimmin
I wish I was watching this, so I could've seen J.D. take his HBP. Game day makes it look like it didn't hurt enough.
2007-10-25 18:07:43
63.   spudrph
59 Can we stop with the Barenaked Ladies jokes? We've all heard that they are a music group by now.

Although, personally, I tend to listen to bare naked ladies also. Though you usually can't hear them, because the music is too loud.

2007-10-25 18:07:45
64.   yankz
60 OH NO I forgot about it. God bless the internet.
2007-10-25 18:07:46
65.   Andrew Shimmin
Bob should pay me to walk around illustrating his points.
2007-10-25 18:08:48
66.   spudrph
63 Sorry. I know its gauche to quote one's self.
2007-10-25 18:09:03
67.   3rd gen yankee fan
Jiminez looks... amazing.
2007-10-25 18:13:38
68.   Mark T.R. Donohue
That insight about the HBP's there really unlocked the whole series for me.
2007-10-25 18:14:33
69.   Bob Timmermann
It's also good to know that Schilling has settled into an "official" groove.
2007-10-25 18:15:36
70.   Hallux Valgus
I'm surprised "Schilling's Official Groove" isn't sponsored by the Gap or some such thing.
2007-10-25 18:16:03
71.   spudrph
67 Really? Amazing? Effective, or efficient, but he doesn't look mind blowing to me.
2007-10-25 18:20:08
72.   Bluebleeder87
Whoa, Ubaldo can 12 to 5 you with the best of them!!
2007-10-25 18:20:39
73.   Bluebleeder87
12 to 6 you...
2007-10-25 18:22:50
74.   Hallux Valgus
coincidence? YES!
2007-10-25 18:23:01
75.   Bob Timmermann
Ken Rosenthal with numerological musings.
2007-10-25 18:24:23
76.   Hallux Valgus
75 He must have loved The Number 23
2007-10-25 18:25:48
77.   spudrph
75 And there was a guy, that night, in section 6, seat 4, and he has two children, aged 6 and 4, and he had to take one kid to the bathroom in the 4th, and then the other one in the sixth, and on his way home....nothing happened.
2007-10-25 18:26:59
78.   Hallux Valgus
or maybe Rosenthal just really likes early Wu Tang.

C'mon, Jimenez!

2007-10-25 18:28:41
79.   Hallux Valgus
2007-10-25 18:29:00
80.   Bob Timmermann
It sounded like Buck said the ball was "Fa..."
2007-10-25 18:30:05
81.   Hallux Valgus
2007-10-25 18:30:25
82.   yankz
Ubaldo, the God of Clutch!
2007-10-25 18:30:55
83.   Andrew Shimmin
... A long, long way to go?
2007-10-25 18:30:57
84.   Mark T.R. Donohue
2007-10-25 18:30:58
85.   Sam DC
I don't have the sound on.

Are they saying Oooobaldo?

2007-10-25 18:32:00
86.   Bob Timmermann
Interestingly, Coors Field does not have a Section 64 or 6 or 4. They start at 100.

There are suites that are numbered 4 and 6, but not 64.

2007-10-25 18:32:37
87.   sporky
82 (kowtows)
2007-10-25 18:32:41
88.   Bob Timmermann
I have the sound on, yet most of the time I don't listen.

It's a zen thing.

2007-10-25 18:34:13
89.   yankz
Rox definitely need a few runs here. Prediction: Atkins hits a 2-R homer.
2007-10-25 18:36:35
90.   yankz
Well, I didn't say I wasn't a fraud.
2007-10-25 18:37:32
91.   sporky
Hawpe has seen a grand total of 3 pitches.
2007-10-25 18:38:08
92.   sporky
91 Granted, he has a hit.
2007-10-25 18:39:09
93.   dzzrtRatt
What's the deal with Elvis Costello and Fox?

Does he have a movie coming out like Paul "Bart's son" Giamatti?

2007-10-25 18:40:25
94.   D4P
Don't think I'll be seeing "Fred Claus".
2007-10-25 18:40:39
95.   Hallux Valgus
Fox likes wasting money on music rights.
2007-10-25 18:41:32
96.   Bob Timmermann
Buck says "Ubaldo" correctly. He doesn't start his name with a "y" sound.
2007-10-25 18:43:46
97.   Hallux Valgus
my hair looks a lot like Hurdle's used to. I think it's time for a trim.
2007-10-25 18:43:50
98.   Mike Carminati
jeez, how many balls have the Sox hit off their feet.

Hey, I had that SI with Hurdle on the cover.

2007-10-25 18:44:34
99.   Hallux Valgus
alright, time for a Tulo DP.
2007-10-25 18:44:44
100.   D4P
Dumb throw.
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2007-10-25 18:45:26
101.   Hallux Valgus
yeah, I didn't notice the runner to second. my bad
2007-10-25 18:45:41
102.   RIYank
100 He was only safe by inches.
2007-10-25 18:46:00
103.   Mike Carminati
Did McCarver just call Lowell Drew and the Lowell again without missing a beat or correcting himself?

Hawpe could have gotten to that ball a bit sooner

2007-10-25 18:46:31
104.   D4P
McCarver: "Once a guy drops his bat, base-running is the most important factor in determining whether you're gonna get runs or not"
2007-10-25 18:46:37
105.   spudrph
Yeah, baserunning helps, Tim. Otherwise it gets awfully crowded on first base.
2007-10-25 18:46:43
106.   RIYank
"Base running is the biggest factor as to whether you're going to get runs."

I wonder if Tim checked with Stats, Inc on that one?

2007-10-25 18:46:47
107.   Hallux Valgus
I get it- the Red Sox bullpen likes making noise. Knock it off.
2007-10-25 18:47:23
108.   Mike Carminati
104 He still thinks bunts affect OBP.
2007-10-25 18:49:08
109.   RIYank
If the Red Sox score another here, Tim will never believe that HR lead more often to multi-run innings than walks...
2007-10-25 18:50:02
110.   Hallux Valgus
2007-10-25 18:50:07
111.   D4P
I can't believe they broadcast in-game discussions between coaches and players during the same inning.
2007-10-25 18:50:10
112.   RIYank
Yow. That was close.
2007-10-25 18:51:17
113.   sporky
Say no to tacos.
2007-10-25 18:51:19
114.   Hallux Valgus
111 no kidding. So there's no one watching in the clubhouse?


2007-10-25 18:51:19
115.   Mike Carminati
Enough about friggin' Taco Bell!
2007-10-25 18:51:25
116.   spudrph
Taco time, everyone! Woohooo!!!!
2007-10-25 18:51:57
117.   Bluebleeder87
Meh, if it ain't King Taco it ain't a taco.
2007-10-25 18:51:59
118.   D4P
How Lu can you Go...?
2007-10-25 18:52:00
119.   Mike Carminati
115 I meant Buck.
2007-10-25 18:52:18
120.   Hallux Valgus
I think they should call that one of those "no contest" bases that isn't really a stolen base.
2007-10-25 18:52:29
121.   Bob Timmermann
Its not like Apodaca was revealing any strategy there.
2007-10-25 18:53:02
122.   sporky
2007-10-25 18:53:11
123.   RIYank
No salsa for you, Julio.
2007-10-25 18:53:27
124.   Mark T.R. Donohue
Ah, Julio Lugo! Was there ever a doubt?
2007-10-25 19:00:04
125.   Mike Carminati
How many teams bunt to get to the #9 hitter?
2007-10-25 19:00:05
126.   Hallux Valgus
that was not even remotely interesting, Tim.
2007-10-25 19:01:49
127.   RIYank
Ouch. Tough call.
2007-10-25 19:02:18
128.   Mike Carminati
McCarver says it looks like a strike as the replay shows clearly it wasn't
2007-10-25 19:02:39
129.   Mark T.R. Donohue
And that right there, folks, is the case against Willy Taveras.
2007-10-25 19:06:55
130.   Hallux Valgus
another nice play from Atkins. His arm used to be scatter shot at best.
2007-10-25 19:08:41
131.   Bob Timmermann
Not suprisingly, the Cardinals had the most sacrifices out of the 8 hole this year. They had 17.

For AL teams, the Mariners lead with 12.

The Giants were second in the NL with 7.

2007-10-25 19:08:47
132.   sporky
Did Fox really just do a facial hair faceoff?
2007-10-25 19:08:54
133.   D4P
Why isn't Ortiz included in the facial hair contest...?
2007-10-25 19:08:59
134.   RIYank
... and right there is a case for Taveras.
2007-10-25 19:09:15
135.   Mark T.R. Donohue
OK, superimposing an advertisement over a homemade sign two little kid Red Sox fans made is crossing a line. I'm a little outraged.
2007-10-25 19:09:41
136.   D4P
Do they only spy on Rockie conversations...?
2007-10-25 19:10:19
137.   Hallux Valgus
okay- their facial hair both constitute a Van Dyke. A goatee is just the chin fur.
2007-10-25 19:11:48
138.   Bob Timmermann
But why isn't the singular form of Rockies "Rocky"?
2007-10-25 19:12:18
139.   Mike Carminati
135 Agreed, nothing is beneath these people.
2007-10-25 19:13:08
140.   D4P
I contemplated "Rocky"
2007-10-25 19:14:11
141.   Hallux Valgus
138 Oh man is that a flashback. I can recall hours and hours spent debating this topic back when they announced the name (note: I voted for Denver Bears). It was the most pointless and boring debate of which I have ever been a part.
2007-10-25 19:16:55
142.   yankz
Ubaldo, channel your inner Beckett!
2007-10-25 19:18:16
143.   yankz
Aw, man.
2007-10-25 19:18:30
144.   RIYank
Lowell is just a good hitter.
But the Rockies will still get to Schilling, I'm pretty confident.
2007-10-25 19:18:42
145.   Hallux Valgus
we're still good
2007-10-25 19:18:51
146.   sporky
Colletti isn't going to be able to resist Lowell.
2007-10-25 19:18:55
147.   spudrph
141 I, too, think Bears would have been cool. Isn't it funny how "Rockies" is second nature now? Anything else would sound wrong at this point.
2007-10-25 19:19:11
148.   RIYank
141 Wait a minute. You have experience with pointless and boring discussions?

I hereby invite you over to Bronx Banter to discuss whether Torre was treated fairly.

2007-10-25 19:19:23
149.   Mike Carminati
Lowell is a good hitter, but that was a meatball.
2007-10-25 19:20:45
150.   Hallux Valgus
148 sorry, I get enough of that re: Juan Pierre.
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2007-10-25 19:21:33
151.   spudrph
I drafted Affeldt in a fantasy league, years ago. Needless to say, it didn't work out so well.
2007-10-25 19:22:11
152.   D4P
I checked with Stats, Inc., and it turns out the Rockies can't come back from a 3-0 deficit in the series to win unless the Red Sox win the first 3 games. That makes me feel better.
2007-10-25 19:22:12
153.   Hallux Valgus
(yes, I am both a Dodgers and a Rockies fan. I understand the implications, and I don't care.)
2007-10-25 19:24:02
154.   Hallux Valgus
152 that's why their statisticians
2007-10-25 19:24:06
155.   spudrph
154 Does anybody else think they could pick up the catcher sliding to the outside corner using their peripheral vision?

The 3-1 pitch took some balls to throw.

One, anyway.

2007-10-25 19:24:17
156.   Hallux Valgus
*they are
2007-10-25 19:25:02
157.   RIYank
152 That's exactly the opposite of what you would think!
2007-10-25 19:25:16
158.   Hallux Valgus
Matt Herges the savior!

I feel not so good.

2007-10-25 19:25:55
159.   spudrph
155 Why do I keep doing that? Sigh.

I have a story about Herges, too. I tried to draft him in a tabletop league, only to find out that he was already taken. A few rounds later, because I'm an idiot, I tried to draft him again.

2007-10-25 19:26:53
160.   Bob Timmermann
But would Joe Torre play Juan Pierre in left field?

Cite examples when relevant.

2007-10-25 19:27:01
161.   underdog
114/121 - Doesn't matter, Bill Belichick was videotaping it anyway. Might as well show the world.

C'mon Rockies, don't fall apart here!

2007-10-25 19:27:30
162.   spudrph
Damn Ebay commercials! I have spent too much money there tonight.
2007-10-25 19:27:55
163.   underdog
That Mickey Owen passed ball would be a painful moment to relive for me, were I alive when that happened.

Darnit, I have to leave for a soccer game in a few minutes.

2007-10-25 19:28:05
164.   yankz
160 He played Damon there.
2007-10-25 19:28:09
165.   spudrph
Supposedly, the pitch that got away from Owen was a spitter.

I miss the spitter.

2007-10-25 19:28:24
166.   RIYank
160 I believe so. What is Pierre's exact BFOG+, lifetime?
2007-10-25 19:28:53
167.   Hallux Valgus
161 took you long enough. Just for that, I'm gonna have to beat you in fantasy football this week.
2007-10-25 19:29:10
168.   Mike Carminati
165 A legal spitter in 1941?
2007-10-25 19:29:32
169.   D4P
This is a long inning for only 1 run. I hope I didn't just jinx it.
2007-10-25 19:29:47
170.   Hallux Valgus
163 you have a weird soccer league. we only play on Sunday mornings, before football.
2007-10-25 19:30:05
171.   spudrph
Is Hurdle always this Sparky Anderson-y with his bullpen? He seems to have a short leash.
2007-10-25 19:30:16
172.   Hallux Valgus
2007-10-25 19:31:26
173.   spudrph
168 Well, no, not a legal one. That's why I say supposedly.
2007-10-25 19:31:28
174.   RIYank
169 You did, but the Jinx God couldn't tell which side you were on. (Not being omniscient or anything like that.)
2007-10-25 19:31:39
175.   vockins



2007-10-25 19:31:41
176.   Bluebleeder87
Matt Herges in his hey day could muscle you with his fastball which sat at 95-96MPH. He got Veritek with a 90mph fastball, what ever works right.
2007-10-25 19:32:36
177.   RIYank
170 Hey, I play on Sunday mornings too! But a bunch of my teammates also play in an indoor league weekday evenings.
2007-10-25 19:32:41
178.   underdog
170 I'm in one of those, too. Sunday mornings and Thursday eves, two different leagues. This one's under the lights (obviously). It's a great way to run off work stress (or make it worse).

167 I had stuff to do!
Yeah, yeah.
Actually, I'm expecting another tie. But I do hope Travis Henry does well. While he's still a free man.

2007-10-25 19:33:10
179.   Bluebleeder87
I really hope the Rockies attack in this inning, I kind of cant stand Bostonians being so happy & giddy.
2007-10-25 19:33:12
180.   spudrph
174 That would be the God who can only tell when you say something at the same time as someone else?
2007-10-25 19:34:04
181.   underdog
177 Indoor's crazy. Too many injuries. I'll pass on that. One teammate of mine tried to get me on his indoor team - to play goalie. Yeah, only if I can wear Nerf™ body armor.
2007-10-25 19:34:40
182.   spudrph
179 Well, we'll stop, as long as you promise to take the snow and ice for us. OK?
2007-10-25 19:34:56
183.   underdog
Okay, last batter, then it's the radio for me. Or Tivo actually. Good luck!
2007-10-25 19:35:10
184.   RIYank
180 One of his several powers. He was also checking the blog for illicit mention of the Sox' lack of hits earlier in this game.
2007-10-25 19:36:22
185.   RIYank
177 Right, but here, four months of the year, it's pretty hard to play outdoors.
2007-10-25 19:36:30
186.   Hallux Valgus
178 I could handle a tie. I was up in SF a couple weeks ago, and i loved it. I'm trying to transfer up there. If so, you've got an easily winded but really good center back (and a slightly above average keeper).
2007-10-25 19:37:01
187.   spudrph
2-5 pm on a weekday. When 3/4 of the country is at work. Way to run a cheap ass promotion.
2007-10-25 19:37:23
188.   Philip Michaels
Wow, how do you suppose Fox nabbed that interview with the Taco Bell CEO? That's a tough get.
2007-10-25 19:37:29
189.   underdog
this in-game Taco Bell non-stop plugging seriously makes me miss FrankTV promotions! My God, the very definition of shameless.
2007-10-25 19:37:37
190.   Mike Carminati
FOX is a bunch of whores!!! An interview with the CEO of Taco Bell!?!?? Disgusting
2007-10-25 19:37:41
191.   Bob Timmermann
The Boston Red Sox have outscored Boston College tonight by 2.
2007-10-25 19:38:03
192.   Bluebleeder87
I guess I'm just moody today cause I can't stand watching Kaz Matsuis swing today, he's swinging like he's out of gas. But maybe that's just the way he swings.
2007-10-25 19:38:28
193.   dzzrtRatt
That is some nasty product placement they got going tonight. Oh, crap, now the CEO!

Taco Bell CEO, I hate you. Royce Clayton, for shame!

Don Draper never would've let this one go through. This must've been Pete's harebrained scheme.

2007-10-25 19:38:39
194.   underdog
186 Cool, let me know! I'll be out of town for a week but lemme know anytime after that if you're up here. We're in a co-ed league so it's better if you can get a sex change, because women are harder to find, but whatever.


2007-10-25 19:38:44
195.   yankz
One swing...
2007-10-25 19:39:31
196.   Philip Michaels
190 On the bright side, when Chris Meyers bolts upright in bed at night, sobbing at the futility of it all, it will no longer be because of that interview he did with Leon the Budweiser pitchman a few Fall Classics back.
2007-10-25 19:39:41
197.   Bluebleeder87
Ruppert Murdoch we love you!!!
2007-10-25 19:40:48
198.   Mike Carminati
196 And to McCarver's credit he called them shills.
2007-10-25 19:43:07
199.   Philip Michaels
198 Yes, but only because there is no pun that Tim McCarver can resist. And beat mercilessly into the ground.
2007-10-25 19:43:19
200.   RIYank
Interesting. Not a very Franconish move.
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2007-10-25 19:43:34
201.   Bluebleeder87
This must've been Pete's harebrained scheme.

I didn't know who to place my anger to, thanks for the tid bit.

2007-10-25 19:43:52
202.   Hallux Valgus
197 let me acknowledge this: Rupert Murdoch pays my salary. Fox Networks are not part of our company, however. We are in charge of making really shitty movies, not really shitty television or sports broadcasts. So yes. I really love you Rupert. Because my review is coming up in a month.
2007-10-25 19:44:07
203.   Bob Timmermann
When I was checking Helton's career stats against Schilling (18 for 54 with 5 homers), I noticed that against Scott Strickland, Helton was 5 for 6 with 3 home runs and 3 walks.
2007-10-25 19:44:30
204.   spudrph
To be fair, though, it is not unreasonable to expect a groom to be tired during a wedding. It's not like he has anything to do with it.
2007-10-25 19:44:51
205.   Mike Carminati
199 Well, at least he did one thing right tonight.
2007-10-25 19:45:43
206.   Mike Carminati
202 You have something on your nose
2007-10-25 19:45:43
207.   Bluebleeder87
I wonder if it's scary facing a guy like Okajima with the weird head shake & all...
2007-10-25 19:46:09
208.   spudrph
203 Even given a small sample size, that's a hell of a line.
2007-10-25 19:47:44
209.   Hallux Valgus
206 welcome to Hollywood. It's cocaine and desperation.

(not really)

2007-10-25 19:48:37
210.   RIYank
I wonder what the plan is here. Okajima for five outs, Papelbon for six? No, Francona will have to rely on the soft underbelly of his bullpen at some point.
2007-10-25 19:48:46
211.   Mike Carminati
F^&k the Patriots!
2007-10-25 19:49:01
212.   Bob Timmermann
Todd Helton is also 1 for 15 in his career against Kent Mercker.

And he went 0 for 11 against Robb Nen.

2007-10-25 19:49:22
213.   spudrph
Why do they always say "Fox NFL Sunday returns"? As if we had any doubt? "Guess what guys? This Sunday, just like last Sunday? We're going to broadcast football."
2007-10-25 19:50:04
214.   yankz
Oh, you're killing me, Hawpe.
2007-10-25 19:50:13
215.   RIYank
Yeesh. Hawpe just had no chance. Maybe dazzled by the Okajima delivery.
2007-10-25 19:50:20
216.   Hallux Valgus
WHAT THE HELL IS AIKMAN DOING WEARING RED SOX GEAR FOR? He's from California and played for Oklahoma, UCLA, and the Cowboys. I now hate Aikman
2007-10-25 19:50:43
217.   spudrph
210 What, you don't trust Gagne?


2007-10-25 19:51:04
218.   Mike Carminati
216 Is it any worse than interviewing the CEO of Taco Bell?
2007-10-25 19:51:34
219.   yankz
216 They r Americuz team DUH! lolz
2007-10-25 19:52:10
220.   yankz
215 Haven't seen you around BB lately. Taking refuge too?
2007-10-25 19:53:15
221.   spudrph
Just curious-do you guys get to wear NFL gear to work like in the commercial? My company is a sponsor of the Eagles, so they allow it, but do people with real jobs get to do that, too?
2007-10-25 19:53:17
222.   Bluebleeder87

I don't think he's gotten a hit yet in the fall classic.

2007-10-25 19:53:32
223.   Hallux Valgus
218 absolutely not.

But Aikman was someone I loved, and now he's a Red Sox Fan for no particular reason. He has no ties to Boston whatsoever.

2007-10-25 19:53:42
224.   Bob Timmermann
The 1944 World Series is the only one that would not have provided any free tacos.
2007-10-25 19:54:48
225.   Bluebleeder87

I don't know who Aikman is but I guess he's a big deal judging from you anger/frustration. Football player??

2007-10-25 19:54:50
226.   Mike Carminati
221 No, it doesn't meet the business casual standard

Does Lugo still beat his wife?

2007-10-25 19:55:25
227.   Philip Michaels
216 It is possible that Troy Aikman weighed the possibility of putting on a Red Sox cap or being pelted with urine-filled balloons in front of his family and opted for the former.

On my one and only visit to Fenway, one of the locals objected to me wearing my A's cap. At a Sox-Pirates game.

They take their headgear seriously in the Fens.

2007-10-25 19:55:40
228.   Bob Timmermann
Hawpe has a hit tonight.
2007-10-25 19:55:46
229.   Hallux Valgus
he could've made the play to second without clutching.
2007-10-25 19:55:54
230.   Mike Carminati
224 That was due to the imminent war with the Mexican League.
2007-10-25 19:56:02
231.   Bluebleeder87

he probably just wanted to be at peace with the Natives.

2007-10-25 19:56:37
232.   Philip Michaels
221 My employer is happy when I remember to wear pants.
2007-10-25 19:57:47
233.   spudrph
227 Really? That's kind of stupid.

I wear Sox gear into New York City (admittedly not to the Stadium) and don't get anything more than a wiseacre remark.

2007-10-25 19:58:08
234.   Hallux Valgus
227 cap and jacket. and he could've gone neutral if he was just there to watch the game.
2007-10-25 19:58:34
235.   Philip Michaels
233 In the young man's defense, he was very, very drunk.
2007-10-25 19:58:59
236.   spudrph
Then again, maybe they spit in my food. I don't know.
2007-10-25 20:01:17
237.   spudrph
234 I bet Troy has a Fox Sports cap somewhere in the closet. That woulda gotten him a sitdown interview.
2007-10-25 20:02:14
238.   Bluebleeder87

then he's a bandwagoner & should be treated as such, I would have gone neutral.

2007-10-25 20:02:34
239.   Hallux Valgus
I would like to note that right now, the programming is listed as "Post Game Show." on DirecTV. It's the 6th inning. How is this not adjusted for during the World Series?
2007-10-25 20:03:05
240.   spudrph
I plan to take in a game at the Stadium this year before they close it, but I won't wear Sox stuff. I just think it's a little rude.

I wouldn't expect anything worse than heckling, though, even if I did.

2007-10-25 20:03:53
241.   Mike Carminati
239 They also say the game starts at 8 and we're lucky if they are underway by 8:30
2007-10-25 20:04:10
242.   spudrph
Who let LaTroy Hawkins into the World Series? Don't they have a doorman?
2007-10-25 20:04:22
243.   spudrph
Who let LaTroy Hawkins into the World Series? Don't they have a doorman?
2007-10-25 20:05:28
244.   Bluebleeder87
I just checked Kevin Youkilis #'s he's a pretty marginal player during the regural season!!
2007-10-25 20:06:59
245.   spudrph
Have they mentioned Mike Coolbaugh yet? Or are they saving that for the Denver games?

That story in SI broke me into several pieces.

2007-10-25 20:07:17
246.   spudrph
Whoops, there they go.
2007-10-25 20:07:40
247.   sporky
244 There are quite a few adjectives to describe Youkilis, but I don't think 'marginal' is one of them.
2007-10-25 20:09:29
248.   spudrph
244 OPS+ of 117.
2007-10-25 20:09:46
249.   Bluebleeder87

He's an above average hitting player.

2007-10-25 20:10:20
250.   Mike Carminati
244 Is that why the home crowd boos him every time he comes up?
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2007-10-25 20:10:48
251.   spudrph
244 Helton is only 133.
2007-10-25 20:11:16
252.   sporky
251 Psh, only 133?
2007-10-25 20:11:20
253.   spudrph
10 LOB? Jeepers creepers.
2007-10-25 20:11:25
254.   Bluebleeder87
I like this move by Hurdle Fuentez can be pretty dominating at times, he was once the Rox closer.
2007-10-25 20:12:45
255.   Hallux Valgus
aright, this game is killing me. Let's get some hits right now. The Rox are capable 1-9.
2007-10-25 20:13:02
256.   Bob Timmermann
Boston College has now outscored the Red Sox by 12.
2007-10-25 20:13:17
257.   Mike Carminati
255 Well, 2-9.
2007-10-25 20:13:36
258.   overkill94
Anybody else think it was really dumb to let Hawpe face Okajima in such a critical situation? Hawpe is pretty terrible and Okajima's one of the best lefties out there. Plus, it's not like Hawpe is all that crucial to the line-up. I would have rather seen someone like Jeff Baker get a chance there (he's on the postseason roster, right?)
2007-10-25 20:14:15
259.   overkill94
258 terrible against lefties is what I meant to say, I realize he's very good overall
2007-10-25 20:14:20
260.   spudrph
Carlos Delgado was a 103.

Helton's a great player, but Youk is no slouch.

2007-10-25 20:14:31
261.   Hallux Valgus
257 touche. But I'm trying to be positive. The Rox NEED this win.
2007-10-25 20:15:09
262.   Mike Carminati
Buck just called them the White Sox
2007-10-25 20:17:42
263.   spudrph
ANd if anyone knows chaos, it's Doc Rivers.
2007-10-25 20:20:36
264.   Bob Timmermann
The Rockies have three right-handed hitters on the bench in Baker, Carroll, and Iannetta.
2007-10-25 20:20:54
265.   Bluebleeder87
Boyz II Men sound like the guys from Cheap Seats.
2007-10-25 20:20:59
266.   Mike Carminati
Aren't they one Boy short? And it shows in that "Home" harmony
2007-10-25 20:21:17
267.   sporky
Weren't there four Boyz2Men?
2007-10-25 20:21:20
268.   spudrph
Did Kirby Puckett join Boyz II Men?
2007-10-25 20:23:07
269.   Bluebleeder87


2007-10-25 20:23:54
270.   Andrew Shimmin
Andy Bernard's Speakerphone Trio was unavailable
2007-10-25 20:25:19
271.   spudrph
Fuentes reminds me of a way thinner Sid Fernandez.
2007-10-25 20:26:27
272.   Bluebleeder87
Colorado fans must be frustrated, the Rocks have had there chances but they've come up empty so far.
2007-10-25 20:27:57
273.   spudrph
OK, now this is just STUPID.
2007-10-25 20:28:46
274.   Mike Carminati
What kind of meds does Papelbonn use?
2007-10-25 20:29:13
275.   spudrph
That reminded me of a Rich Gedman swing.
2007-10-25 20:29:56
276.   spudrph
274 Obviously not enough. I hate crap like that.
2007-10-25 20:30:56
277.   sporky
Drew is batting .571 in the WS? The end is nigh.
2007-10-25 20:31:10
278.   Mike Carminati
276 Can America start hating this team yet?
2007-10-25 20:33:18
279.   spudrph
Nice piece of pitching there.
2007-10-25 20:33:27
280.   Mike Carminati
How contrived is 24 now? Tony's the bad guy? C'mon!
2007-10-25 20:35:20
281.   Mark T.R. Donohue
Here we go, Willy Taveras! Prove me wrong! Show you have value!
2007-10-25 20:35:23
282.   Bluebleeder87
Fuentes is tipping his pitches:

when he throws a curve or something slow he softens his arm motion some what. He doesn't do that when he throws his fastball, it's a small thing but I'm sure some hitters can catch that.

2007-10-25 20:35:35
283.   spudrph
278 Feel free. I'm going to love them until they day I die, so I'm really not interested in how anyone else feels about them. Your boys are your boys.

If you haven't suffered through a few 80-82s, though, you're not a real fan in my book. Everybody likes you on prom night.

2007-10-25 20:36:47
284.   Philip Michaels
280 You know, once you've nuked a city, you've pretty much run the gamut of terrors that can be unleashed on your show.

"Oh no, someone's going to cut our power! That's... inconvenient. Oh well, at least we're not going to get nuked. Grab a candle."

2007-10-25 20:37:24
285.   spudrph
2 strikes on an enemy hitter in a World Series game, and you're looking at your girlfriend's cell phone? What a putz.
2007-10-25 20:37:26
286.   Bluebleeder87
the head shake of death from Okijima.
2007-10-25 20:38:09
287.   Mike Carminati
283 80-82s? Try a 59-97 on for size.
2007-10-25 20:40:04
288.   Mike Carminati might want to read this as well:

2007-10-25 20:40:08
289.   Bob Timmermann
I don't know how you "24" can be any more contrived that it has been after Kim got caught in a cougar trap.

I'm not watching this year.

2007-10-25 20:40:31
290.   Bluebleeder87
SpudRph did they have an Okijima babblehead night at Fenway during the season, I think it would make a pretty fun item.
2007-10-25 20:41:07
291.   yankz
289 I have faith that they'll bounce back. A bunch of interviews certainly indicated to me that season 6 was a bit ridiculous. I'd give it a shot.

I can guarantee there won't be any cougars.

2007-10-25 20:41:22
292.   Mike Carminati
289 the cougar was great though her becoming an agent was pretty hilarious. I gave up on the show at the end of last year's recycled season.
2007-10-25 20:42:14
293.   sporky
290 Would it mutter in Japanese?
2007-10-25 20:42:18
294.   Mike Carminati
290 Babblehead? Only McCarver has one of those.
2007-10-25 20:44:56
295.   Andrew Shimmin
I started off not watching 24. Then I continued not watching it. If you never give something a chance, it won't ever disappoint you.
2007-10-25 20:45:47
296.   spudrph
WOW. That ball was NAILED.
2007-10-25 20:46:04
297.   Bluebleeder87
whoa, Papelbon is lucky as hell right there, man!
2007-10-25 20:46:28
298.   Mike Carminati
Yeah, that was one too many high fastballs
2007-10-25 20:46:57
299.   Knuckles
1) That was NOT an athletic play by Papelbon, McCarver.
2) Pedroia is a fckin spaz.
3) Nice job Holliday...
2007-10-25 20:47:25
300.   Mike Carminati
Really inexcusable on Holliday;'s part
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2007-10-25 20:47:36
301.   yankz
You're kidding me.
2007-10-25 20:47:44
302.   Bluebleeder87
that must be pretty embarrassing for Holliday there.
2007-10-25 20:48:00
303.   spudrph
295 I've never seen it either.

If it weren't for sports, I might not even own a TV.

Jeepers. That wasn't even close.

Matt Holiday, I'd like to introduce you to Babe Ruth. Babe Ruth, this is Matt Holliday.

2007-10-25 20:48:03
304.   Mark T.R. Donohue
Well, Matt Holliday's greatest moment of heroism in the season to date was immediately preceded by a brain lock: his outfielding mishap in the tiebreaker game against San Diego. So maybe this bodes well!

Only it doesn't. The Rockies haven't given away outs on offense or defense for weeks and now they are. Not so good.

2007-10-25 20:48:32
305.   Mike Carminati
299 yeah, what was Pedroia doing coming up throwing?
2007-10-25 20:49:48
306.   sporky
Holliday gets picked off, and someone is cackling outside my window. I'm not sufficiently sloshed.
2007-10-25 20:50:22
307.   Greg Brock
2007-10-25 20:50:30
308.   spudrph
305 I think that's why he was smiling. He looked at first base and thought, "Gee, he's 30 feet down the first base line, eating a hot dog. Maybe there's no point in throwing."
2007-10-25 20:50:39
309.   Mike Carminati
"Seconds before Neil Diamond's reaching out touching you, man!" McCarver on the Holliday play
2007-10-25 20:51:31
310.   Mike Carminati
Never understood their facination with that crappy Seventies song.
2007-10-25 20:52:33
311.   Mike Carminati
Actually, the rule is contradictory re. the ball hitting the batter in fair territory while in the batter's box.
2007-10-25 20:52:59
312.   spudrph
307 Greg Brock? Really? We remember you with the Dodgers! you've never heard that before.

2007-10-25 20:54:43
313.   spudrph
310 The way I heard it is, like the Rally Monkey, they played it one night, late, and the team came back to win, so they started doing it all the time.
2007-10-25 20:56:09
314.   overkill94
310 It's all about the "bum bum buuuuum"
2007-10-25 20:56:23
315.   spudrph
Poor Holliday is going to hear about that FOREVER. Similar to Bill Buckner, a great hitter doomed by one inexplicable moment.
2007-10-25 20:58:26
316.   Mike Carminati
Around his moneymaker?!? can they say that on TV
2007-10-25 20:58:59
317.   Mike Carminati
315 can I be the first to dub it Holliday's Daze?
2007-10-25 21:00:30
318.   spudrph
317 Excellent. Put it right next to Lombardi's Snooze.
2007-10-25 21:00:46
319.   Bob Timmermann
I can picture in mind Vin Scully saying something like "Holliday was out wool-gathering there."
2007-10-25 21:04:16
320.   spudrph
319 I can only imagine how bad he must feel. He knows better, of course. And this is all he's going to hear about, hour after hour, until Saturday night.
2007-10-25 21:04:31
321.   spudrph
319 I can only imagine how bad he must feel. He knows better, of course. And this is all he's going to hear about, hour after hour, until Saturday night.
2007-10-25 21:04:54
322.   Mike Carminati
I think the problem is that the Rockies facial hair does not measure up to that of the Red Sox. Fuentes barely has any, just a patch on the chin, and Corpas Dilecti has just that pencil thin beardy thing. Helton is their best in this category and even he does not measure up to his counterpart, Youkilis, on Boston.
2007-10-25 21:07:09
323.   Mike Carminati
That 1-0 pitch was high AND inside. Diaz is ready to go home.
2007-10-25 21:08:52
324.   Bob Timmermann
The last time the Rockies lost two straight, it was part of a 3-game losing streak against the Phillies and Marlins.
2007-10-25 21:09:39
325.   Mike Carminati
Where's that crazy dancing kid tonight?
2007-10-25 21:09:41
326.   spudrph
I am happy, Mark, but I also recognize that this is a hell of a way to lose two games. My sympathy.
2007-10-25 21:10:34
327.   Bluebleeder87
Hawpe with the Shawn Green-esque swing.
2007-10-25 21:10:52
328.   Mike Carminati
So which is a worse defeat, yesterday's or tonight's?
2007-10-25 21:11:07
329.   Greg Brock
2007-10-25 21:11:44
330.   Mark T.R. Donohue
A well-pitched game by both teams. A lot of "experts" were predicting a 7-6, 8-7 kind of game and both teams proved them wrong. But the Rockies could have really used this one. They'll still be confident about winning the next three at home in Denver, but now there's no debate about it -- they HAVE to win all three.

Although the Rockies played well, they made the mistakes in this game. That hadn't been the case for some time in a close one.

2007-10-25 21:12:04
331.   Bluebleeder87
enjoy these 2 wins BoSox, enjoy....
2007-10-25 21:35:45
332.   Vishal
328 yesterday's, by 12 runs :)
2007-10-25 21:49:15
333.   dzzrtRatt

But he'll have a big game Saturday.

2007-10-25 22:20:39
334.   underdog
Oh well. The Rox lose by one, my soccer team lost by one (1-nil) but at least I had 30Rock on Tivo waiting for me when I got home. That was hilarious. And no Bee Movie plugs tonight!

I'd like to take Bee Movie, FrankTV and Taco Bell, put them on a leaky dinghy and shove them all off to sea.

2007-10-25 23:11:36
335.   underdog
Why do I keep getting the last word on these World Series chats? I'm killing the chat.

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